Chris- Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, Boyle5150 said: Then maybe the narrative should change when speaking about gun control to “gun deaths in America” as to not give an excuse to those who hold so strongly to the second amendment. Right, so back to you being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chris- said: Right, so back to you being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic... Maybe I missed the part where someone said we shouldn’t include suicide by gun when making gun laws? My bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: There are a few suicides in this movie but nothing violent. “Was the movie violent?” ”no, there was a really sad scene where a guy with cancer committed suicide, but it wasn’t violent”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Alaska doesnt have high euthanasia rates lol cmon Boyle stop. Was Bird Box a violent movie? Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: “Was the movie violent?” ”no, there was a really sad scene where a guy with cancer committed suicide, but it wasn’t violent”. "No, there was a really sad scene where a guy with cancer shot himself." "Then that's violent you dipshit." "Oh yeah." That'll be the extent of my discussing this with you because this isn't really opinion; you're just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I'll check back in on this "debate" 6 pages from now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: Maybe I missed the part where someone said we shouldn’t include suicide by gun when making gun laws? My bad As bad of a double-down as that was, I don't think it will carry many pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Pushing someone off of a building: Violence Throwing yourself off a building: Self-harm Accidentally falling off a building: Not violence Solved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jose said: Alaska doesnt have high euthanasia rates lol cmon Boyle stop. Was Bird Box a violent movie? Obviously. They all hurt themselves in that movie so... no. Not violent at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 34 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: According to many philosophical systems, we are all of the same universal substance. Ergo, inflicting harm to oneself is inflicting harm to all. "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 The definition of violence contradicts Boyle's entire argument. But I guess MAGA hat nuance or something.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Why shouldn’t we be concerned that people can attempt to take their life with a method that is nearly 100% effective? The laws that help there are largely the same as the laws that will hopefully stop criminal gun violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Amazatron said: The definition of violence contradicts Boyle's entire argument. But I guess MAGA hat nuance or something.... Every time I read about a mass shooting, it's always violent until the guy shoots himself. =\ But anyway... What the article says is something that I think many gun control advocates understand: gun violence is a national issue because only when you have a national standard do you have the most effective gun violence prevention since people can't go out-of-state to circumvent gun laws. I applaud Massachusetts, though, for keeping gun violence much lower overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Amazatron said: The definition of violence contradicts Boyle's entire argument. But I guess MAGA hat nuance or something.... I thought that posting the actual definition would end this nonsense... imagine my surprise 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I don't think it's insane to consider teasing gun-related suicide from other forms of violence. Personally, I think people should be able to commit suicide and I think there are scenarios where to prevent someone from doing so lacks compassion. If you're comfortable with that, it make sense to want to exclude from the discussion of gun control suicide that should otherwise be permitted. However, my understanding is people who commit suicide by guns usually do so impulsively where if not given the easy option, could often turn their life around. Indeed, this is probably true for most suicides in general. In which case, we should seek to avoid suicides by guns and it should be part of the discussion in gun control and "gun violence." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, legend said: However, my understanding is people who commit suicide by guns usually do so impulsively where if not given the easy option, could often turn their life around. Indeed, this is probably true for most suicides in general. In which case, we should seek to avoid suicides by guns and it should be part of the discussion in gun control and "gun violence." It's impulsive, readily available, and much more effective at the end result than other means like drug overdosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, legend said: I don't think it's insane to consider teasing gun-related suicide from other forms of violence. Personally, I think people should be able to commit suicide and I think there are scenarios where to prevent someone from doing so lacks compassion. If you're comfortable with that, it make sense to want to exclude from the discussion of gun control suicide that should otherwise be permitted. However, my understanding is people who commit suicide by guns usually do so impulsively where if not given the easy option, could often turn their life around. Indeed, this is probably true for most suicides in general. In which case, we should seek to avoid suicides by guns and it should be part of the discussion in gun control and "gun violence." 100% agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I propose a special temporary 'suicide' gun permit available at CVS. "What's your reason today, Sir?" "That Dexter ending was the worst shit ever with that Playstation 2 hurricane..." "Alright, here's your permit and gat, expiration in 20 minutes, hurry up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Every time I read about a mass shooting, it's always violent until the guy shoots himself. =\ But anyway... What the article says is something that I think many gun control advocates understand: gun violence is a national issue because only when you have a national standard do you have the most effective gun violence prevention since people can't go out-of-state to circumvent gun laws. I applaud Massachusetts, though, for keeping gun violence much lower overall. This is so disingenuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Whenever I think of Massachusetts, I'm reminded of this song: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: I thought that posting the actual definition would end this nonsense... imagine my surprise If I disregard it with the wave of my hand, I can make up a new definition and you got nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Sounds very much like the system we have here in NJ. Not a fan of it. I probably wouldn't mind the system so much if they didn't keep piling on restrictions on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Sigh... The definition of "Violence" This fucking board man... noun swift and intense force:the violence of a storm. Swiftness and intensity is purely subjective. rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment:to die by violence. Again this is subjective. an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws:to take over a government by violence. a violent act or proceeding. Suicide is not unjust nor unwarranted to the victim. rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language:the violence of his hatred. Does not apply to suicide damage through distortion or unwarranted alteration: to do editorial violence to a text. Suicide is not "unwarranted" to the victim. Let me very clear on my position (one that mirrors legends.) I think our gun laws are fucking shit, and massive reforms need to be made for gun ownership. I pretty much don't think the general population should be allowed to own a gun. I think when we are making new laws, Suicide should absolutely be one of the major discussion points, as its far too easy to commit suicide when someone is in possession of a gun, and given the fact that they probably wouldn't kill themselves, should be the number one reason for stricter gun laws. When discussing violent deaths caused by guns, I think suicide is beside the point and should be seen as a different category. Can suicides be subjectively violent, sure, can they also be subjectively non-violent, absolutely. Your subjective reasoning doesn't dictate if something is violent or not, but rather if it is violent within the given context, in your own subject experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 pages in, 4 more to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Amazatron said: ... But I guess MAGA hat nuance or something.... facts don't care about your feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Jose said: Alaska doesnt have high euthanasia rates lol cmon Boyle stop. I don't understand what you are trying to say here, and/or how it relates to my position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 How did I know a thread that took off like this would involve Boyle and pedantic arguments? Pedantry aside, I'm all for laws like these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: How did I know a thread that took off like this would involve Boyle and pedantic arguments? Pedantry aside, I'm all for laws like these. Cause you love me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 STOP FEEDING THE TROLL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: Cause you love me! That doesn't even make any sense, and sorry, but I don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Pedantry aside, I'm all for laws like these. I just wish that if you're going to make me jump through all the hoops to prove I'm trustworthy then trust me. This is basically the same system we have in NJ, except they use it here as a club to suppress gun ownership rather than validating good owners like in Mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Slug said: I just wish that if you're going to make me jump through all the hoops to prove I'm trustworthy then trust me. This is basically the same system we have in NJ, except they use it here as a club to suppress gun ownership rather than validating good owners like in Mass. How so? I'm originally from Jersey... born and raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Slug said: I just wish that if you're going to make me jump through all the hoops to prove I'm trustworthy then trust me. This is basically the same system we have in NJ, except they use it here as a club to suppress gun ownership rather than validating good owners like in Mass. Gun ownership should be suppressed. How many people have been denied ownership in your state based on this same type of law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: STOP FEEDING THE TROLL. Stating facts is trolling now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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