Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The recognition comes as hundreds of thousands are protesting Maduro's rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 This isn’t a slight against Canada, but it makes me kind of sad that not knowing anything about this situation, I only felt any comfort that America was choosing the correct path because Canada did it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This isn’t a slight against Canada, but it makes me kind of sad that not knowing anything about this situation, I only felt any comfort that America was choosing the correct path because Canada did it too. I did a little quick research on the opposition party and they seem to be centrist. This is what Venezuela needs right now, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 There is no single opposition party - it's coalition of groups that range ideologically from right-wing militarist to Marxist-Leninist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, SFLUFAN said: There is no single opposition party - it's coalition of groups that range ideologically from right-wing militarist to Marxist-Leninist. I meant Guaido's Voluntad Popular (Popular Will) party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Ooooohhhh...I just remembered a wild card in this situation: Moscow. The Russians really do want Maduro's regime to remain to support their air and naval operations in this hemisphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 US diplomatic staff in Caracas (what's left of it anyway) given 72 hours to depart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Sounds like most Western Hemisphere nations are siding with the new interim President. Hopefully Brazil and Colombia can handle anything that gets out of hand on their own. The last thing the US needs, and South America for that matter, is to have the US exert military pressure on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Speaking as a Trinidadian, I hope that Maduro stays in power if only for more Venezuelans to starve. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Of course, no one has actually considered what would happen if "legitimate" elections and the Chavez/Maduro party actually wins. THINK ABOUT THAT, GRINGOS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Unverified on Instagram - he's done for now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 @SFLUFAN Your wish came true... You can start celebrating the deaths of at least 4 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: @SFLUFAN Your wish came true... You can start celebrating the deaths of at least 4 people. I said "starve", not "shot"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Here is a picture of John "Rage Walrus" Bolton at this very minute: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, SFLUFAN said: I said "starve", not "shot"! I never realized you cared if they died in one fashion or another. Oh wait, you prefer they die a slow painful death. My bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 aka USA 2024 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 What the 21st Century really needs is a full-scale military deployment to South America. This will enable more Predator-type movies in the future. If we don't invest in jungle and mountain-based operations today, then we will lose out on awesome movies in the future. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The US loves democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedSoxFan9 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Looking good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Needs more starvation tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I honestly didnt expect RedSox fan to be pro Maduro lol. Even for him that is cray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jose said: I honestly didnt expect RedSox fan to be pro Maduro lol. Even for him that is cray. One can be suspicious/wary of American motives in a Latin American nation and not be pro-Maduro, which is essentially my position. My feeling about this is practically identical to my feelings about Libya in 2011: none of our goddamned business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'd like to point out to Mr. Cardenas that the Venezuelan military is "nationalist". The "Bolivarian Revolution" is very much a nationalist political movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: One can be suspicious/wary of American motives in a Latin American nation and not be pro-Maduro, which is essentially my position. My feeling about this is practically identical to my feelings about Libya in 2011: none of our goddamned business. Fair enough, but his posts definitely imply that he supports Maduro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: One can be suspicious/wary of American motives in a Latin American nation and not be pro-Maduro, which is essentially my position. My feeling about this is practically identical to my feelings about Libya in 2011: none of our goddamned business. I thought your position was starvation? Or were you just being a tough guy who needs a new Gillette razor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Generally/genuinely ignorant here. What did the US do to intervene in Venezuela? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Generally/genuinely ignorant here. What did the US do to intervene in Venezuela? In 2002, the United States supported an abortive military coup against Hugo Chavez and has subsequently tried to undermine both Chavez's and his successor Maduro's regime. Now, no one should even consider that the regime is "clean" or transparent by any stretch of the imagination - even the UN declared that the last election held in May 2018 was an absolute farce so no one should rush to "support" it. Yesterday, the US/Canada/OAS/France/etc. recognized the president of the National Assembly as the "legitimate" interim president of Venezuela after he self-declared himself as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Well, Dima, we'd be pretty fucking stoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, CayceG said: Well, Dima, we'd be pretty fucking stoked. checks latest opinion polls - Looks to be about 52% being totally cool with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: In 2002, the United States supported an abortive military coup against Chavez and has subsequently tried to undermine both Chavez's and his successor Maduro's regime. Now, no one should even consider that the regime is "clean" or transparent by any stretch of the imagination - even the UN declared that the last election held in May 2018 was an absolute farce so no one should rush to "support" it. Yesterday, the US/Canada/OAS/France/etc. recognized the president of the National Assembly as the "legitimate" interim president of Venezuela after he self-declared himself as such. Thanks. The bold is what I need more detail explanation on if anybody has it. I'm aware of the tension with Chavez in the early 2000s. A friend of mine is blowing up over this. "The CIA is trying to assassinate Maduro like they did Chavez." "We're prepping to invade Venezuela." Etc. etc. when I don't see any strong indicators of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Thanks. The bold is what I need more detail explanation on if anybody has it. I'm aware of the tension with Chavez in the early 2000s. A friend of mine is blowing up over this. "The CIA is trying to assassinate Maduro like they did Chavez." "We're prepping to invade Venezuela." Etc. etc. when I don't see any strong indicators of that. Political and economic sanctions on regime members have been the main tools used against the regime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Ok you are just being non-interventionist, which is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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