SuperSpreader Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Derek said: When the allegations first came out, my SO felt the same way. Like, you'd have to be a little perverse and fucked up yourself, to get into a relationship with him. We haven't talked about it in awhile, so her stance may have changed as more and more information came out. She was a fan of his, though. I am indifferent to him. I'm sure he crossed the line. No still means no, even if you previously engaged in aggressive, chloro, 'necro' anal sex play with someone. As a big fan of Whedon, I really wanted to defend him when his shit first came to the surface. I didn't publicly, but I had high hopes that the claims against him were baseless. I don't have that hope anymore. He's a jack ass. Nah I say fuck Whedon. I'm like your wife I go.. yeah but that's like being into S&M and then later complaining you got whipped. But maybe I'm still processing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Fuck all of them tbh. The only one I'm still iffy about is Louis CK. A lot of the stuff about him seemed more like he was abusing his position of power without realizing he was doing it. Like everything was technically consensual (if creepy), but it never occurred to him that people are afraid to say no to him, which inherently muddles the concept of consent itself. That's why most workplaces have rules that say you can't fuck your boss. Hollywood doesn't have traditional workplace structure, though, it's just a bunch of people that are afraid to say anything bad about people who have more power than them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Derek said: Like, you'd have to be a little perverse and fucked up yourself, to get into a relationship with him. Why are we talking about a relationship when the allegation that set this off is of being raped on the set of a music video shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jason said: Why are we talking about a relationship when the allegation that set this off is of being raped on the set of a music video shoot? You just gotta know when you work on the set of a music video with MM that you're gonna get raped. The girls were asking for it. Not his fault. Etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jason said: Why are we talking about a relationship when the allegation that set this off is of being raped on the set of a music video shoot? They were in a relationship at the time. He got divorced because he was caught having an affair with her. Then the first thing he does after is make a sex music video with her to hurt his ex-wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jason said: Why are we talking about a relationship when the allegation that set this off is of being raped on the set of a music video shoot? I didn't know what the relationship was between the two. I wasn't defending him.. and that wasn't even my own opinion on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Fuck all of them tbh. The only one I'm still iffy about is Louis CK. A lot of the stuff about him seemed more like he was abusing his position of power without realizing he was doing it. Like everything was technically consensual (if creepy), but it never occurred to him that people are afraid to say no to him, which inherently muddles the concept of consent itself. That's why most workplaces have rules that say you can't fuck your boss. Hollywood doesn't have traditional workplace structure, though, it's just a bunch of people that are afraid to say anything bad about people who have more power than them. When I hang out with my coworkers after work I try to avoid showing them my genitals, but maybe that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, Komusha said: When I hang out with my coworkers after work I try to avoid showing them my genitals, but maybe that's just me. Same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The gulf between "Marilyn Manson is probably into some kinky shit" and "people that get involved with someone who is into kinky shit are less credible when they make rape accusations because said accused rapist is into kinky shit" is a mile wide, full stop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Komusha said: When I hang out with my coworkers after work I try to avoid showing them my genitals, but maybe that's just me. Like I said, not saying it wasn't creepy and weird, but everything (that I saw reported anyway) was *technically* consensual. It never occurred to him that people wouldn't actually be comfortable watching him jerk off or whatever. And maybe it's because I've worked in bars my entire adult life where booze and cocaine is aplenty, finding out someone did drugs and whipped out his dick doesn't sound that strange to me. Cocaine makes everything less weird. The best and worst thing about cocaine is that everything seems like a good idea. I actually have had a friend masturbate in front of me on the tail end of a coke bender. Again, not to excuse being a fucking creep, but it's a situation I can logically see happen and he wouldn't realize he did anything wrong. Especially if cocaine was involved, which if we're talking about comedians hanging out after hours on tour/on set and shit, there's a 95% probability that's the case (not victim blaming here, just the idea of "is it alright if I start masturbating" is definitely something that could occur to your head while on coke if you're already predisposed to being a sleaze) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Like I said, not saying it wasn't creepy and weird, but everything (that I saw reported anyway) was *technically* consensual. It never occurred to him that people wouldn't actually be comfortable watching him jerk off or whatever. And maybe it's because I've worked in bars my entire adult life where booze and cocaine is aplenty, finding out someone did drugs and whipped out his dick doesn't sound that strange to me. Cocaine makes everything less weird. The best and worst thing about cocaine is that everything seems like a good idea. I actually have had a friend masturbate in front of me on the tail end of a coke bender. Again, not to excuse being a fucking creep, but it's a situation I can logically see happen and he wouldn't realize he did anything wrong. Especially if cocaine was involved, which if we're talking about comedians hanging out after hours on tour/on set and shit, there's a 95% probability that's the case (not victim blaming here, just the idea of "is it alright if I start masturbating" is definitely something that could occur to your head while on coke if you're already predisposed to being a sleaze) I haven't worked in a bar but I've worked in restaurants so to some degree I do understand that the food service industry is it's own beast, and certainly a lot of stuff happens there that wouldn't fly in a more professional setting. I don't think that makes it right, however. As a trans woman I felt deeply uncomfortable in certain situations at the last restaurant I worked in but I couldn't do anything about it because there was no HR to go to. My boss would also make inappropriate comments to the female servers and they just had to suck up if they wanted to continue to work. One of the instances I read about CK was that he literally stood in front of the hotel door, blocking the woman as he jerked off. I'm just not sure how I can read stuff like that and not feel that he must have known that what he was doing was unwanted. And let's say he didn't know what he did was wrong. But where is the remorse from this incident? Where is his shame? I listened to one of his first sets after the incident and he didn't say anything to make it sound like he felt bad. He instead complained about how hard this has been for him and how much money he has lost. So if you're a fan I get that it's a struggle to come to terms that he's a piece of shit who lack empathy and is incapable of self-reflection. I used to be a Louis CK fan too so I get it. I told myself that if he took the correct steps to make amends I would be willing to move on and still enjoy his work. But he has done none of that. He seems more content to continue to cater to a more right wing audience who doesn't give a shit about this sort of thing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Komusha said: I haven't worked in a bar but I've worked in restaurants so to some degree I do understand that the food service industry is it's own beast, and certainly a lot of stuff happens there that wouldn't fly in a more professional setting. I don't think that makes it right, however. As a trans woman I felt deeply uncomfortable in certain situations at the last restaurant I worked in but I couldn't do anything about it because there was no HR to go to. My boss would also make inappropriate comments to the female servers and they just had to suck up if they wanted to continue to work. One of the instances I read about CK was that he literally stood in front of the hotel door, blocking the woman as he jerked off. I'm just not sure how I can read stuff like that and not feel that he must have known that what he was doing was unwanted. And let's say he didn't know what he did was wrong. But where is the remorse from this incident? Where is his shame? I listened to one of his first sets after the incident and he didn't say anything to make it sound like he felt bad. He instead complained about how hard this has been for him and how much money he has lost. So if you're a fan I get that it's a struggle to come to terms that he's a piece of shit who lack empathy and is incapable of self-reflection. I used to be a Louis CK fan too so I get it. I told myself that if he took the correct steps to make amends I would be willing to move on and still enjoy his work. But he has done none of that. He seems more content to continue to cater to a more right wing audience who doesn't give a shit about this sort of thing anything. I'm not even a particular Louis C.K. fan. I've enjoyed a couple of his specials but I don't follow him or anything. It's just like when I read about the stories about him, all I could think was "that sounds like a bunch of times I've been on cocaine." So like, I've never whipped my dick out and masturbated in front of someone, but if I did black out and someone told me I did it, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm also not a powerful celebrity so people aren't afraid to tell me "no." Stones and glass houses is what I'm saying. I've never been there, but I've been a narrow width away. I'm certainly not one to harshly judge people on stupid decisions they make while they're on drugs (and to my knowledge, neither Louis C.K. nor any one of his accusers has said drugs were involved, but.... come on. He was obviously doing blow.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamusha Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: I'm not even a particular Louis C.K. fan. I've enjoyed a couple of his specials but I don't follow him or anything. It's just like when I read about the stories about him, all I could think was "that sounds like a bunch of times I've been on cocaine." So like, I've never whipped my dick out and masturbated in front of someone, but if I did black out and someone told me I did it, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm also not a powerful celebrity so people aren't afraid to tell me "no." Stones and glass houses is what I'm saying. I've never been there, but I've been a narrow width away. I'm certainly not one to harshly judge people on stupid decisions they make while they're on drugs (and to my knowledge, neither Louis C.K. nor any one of his accusers has said drugs were involved, but.... come on. He was obviously doing blow.) I get what you're saying. I used to be a heavy drinker so I definitely have done some shit back in college that would be embarrassing if it were to become public information now. I get that. Nothing near as bad as what Louie did, but like you said, I also don't remember all of it either. I would like to think I would own up to and apologize for my own prior substance abuse issues if that was ever to be the case, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 2:24 PM, SuperSpreader said: yeah but that's like being into S&M and then later complaining you got whipped. Dude... S&M STILL requires consent that's why they have safe words. If someone violates that then they cross the line from consentual to abuser. It doesn't get more simple than that. Consenting once doesn't mean consenting in perpetuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 7 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Dude... S&M STILL requires consent that's why they have safe words. If someone violates that then they cross the line from consentual to abuser. It doesn't get more simple than that. Consenting once doesn't mean consenting in perpetuity. I already walked it back, I guess I'm partially shocked / surprised (but not) and had trouble processing it. Edit: Eh - where's my post go? Maybe I replied someplace else or didn't hit enter. Yes, you're all correct. I was stuck on "but of course he's a pos!!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Charlize Theron ‘felt so threatened’ by Tom Hardy making Mad Max she required on-set protection | Movies | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM New book details allegations of unprofessional behaviour and aggression during making of George Miller’s 2015 blockbuster Mad Max: Fury Road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Charlize Theron ‘felt so threatened’ by Tom Hardy making Mad Max she required on-set protection | Movies | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM New book details allegations of unprofessional behaviour and aggression during making of George Miller’s 2015 blockbuster Mad Max: Fury Road it would be really nice if assholes stopped running every god damned thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I'd like to know why Tom Hardy was frequently late to set. The article suggests it was a power move against previous unmentioned slights by Charlize Theron, but it sounds like the crew was like: "it was typical of him" so makes Hardy look bad. To be fair, Hardy to some degree seems to realize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Tom Hardy has never come across as anything less than a crazy asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Jerry Lewis’s Costars Speak Out: “He Grabbed Me. He Began to Fondle Me. I Was Dumbstruck” | Vanity Fair WWW.VANITYFAIR.COM Women first interviewed by the directors behind ‘Allen v. Farrow’ say the comedy icon sexually harassed—and in at least one case, sexually assaulted—them with impunity. A special collaboration, including a mini doc, between ‘V.F.’ and the filmmakers. Quote She’d never been summoned by a costar like that before—but then she’d never worked with Jerry Lewis. Apparently, it was how he did things. Karen Sharpe had already held her own onscreen with Clint Eastwood and John Wayne and won a Golden Globe for the airplane-disaster movie The High and the Mighty when she was cast in 1964’s The Disorderly Orderly. The role, the love interest to Lewis’s typically zany buffoon, hadn’t initially appealed to her. It was a comedy, and she preferred drama. It had also been made clear she wasn’t permitted to be funny opposite the film’s notoriously insecure leading man. But Sharpe had recently taken a year-and-a-half-long hiatus from Hollywood—she’d gone to San Antonio to settle her father’s estate after his death—and returned to a town that seemed to have forgotten about her. When Lewis offered her the role, he even sweetened the deal, tripling her salary and guaranteeing that Edith Head, the costume designer behind Grace Kelly’s and Audrey Hepburn’s iconic looks, would create her wardrobe. “It was an offer I shouldn’t and couldn’t refuse,” says Sharpe, now 87. Lewis had the power to make these promises. About a decade earlier, he’d split from Dean Martin after their singing and comedy duo rocketed both to a post–World War II superstardom on par with Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley. Critics (and Lewis himself) believed the hyperactive comedian—not Martin’s straight-man crooner—was the real talent. Lewis, who had been the putzy kid brother to Martin’s debonair gentleman, felt he had outgrown his partner. Lewis’s ego expanded even more in 1959 when, at age 33, he signed a seven-year contract with Paramount for a base of $10 million—the largest contract of its kind between a studio and performer at the time. He could hire whomever he pleased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: I'd like to know why Tom Hardy was frequently late to set. The article suggests it was a power move against previous unmentioned slights by Charlize Theron, but it sounds like the crew was like: "it was typical of him" so makes Hardy look bad. To be fair, Hardy to some degree seems to realize it. he's an alcoholic who also use to smoke crack. I would look over there some where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Maybe Hardy was working with a vocal coach so that people had a prayer of understanding something he says for once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 17 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: I'd like to know why Tom Hardy was frequently late to set. The article suggests it was a power move against previous unmentioned slights by Charlize Theron, but it sounds like the crew was like: "it was typical of him" so makes Hardy look bad. To be fair, Hardy to some degree seems to realize it. This is fourth hand info from a random Redditor, but they said he held up another production because he was always playing video games in his trailer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Tom Hardy, by basically all accounts, is a fucking crazy person. Not like maliciously crazy, but just like... a lot to deal with. There's a reason he gets on so well with shia Labeouf. They're two peas in a pod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 Quote “This was an innocent misunderstanding,” Weinstein said. “It will not happen again. I have been a model inmate, following the rules and regulations and I am sincerely sorry.” Disgraced producer Harvey Weinstein caught smuggling Milk Duds in jail WWW.NBCNEWS.COM The candy was found during a search on Nov. 10, after Weinstein had a face-to-face meeting with Shawn Burkley, one of his attorneys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Searchlight Suspended ‘Being Mortal’ Production After Complaint Against Bill Murray VARIETY.COM "Being Mortal" suspended production over complaints about Bill Murray's inappropriate behavior on set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: Searchlight Suspended ‘Being Mortal’ Production After Complaint Against Bill Murray VARIETY.COM "Being Mortal" suspended production over complaints about Bill Murray's inappropriate behavior on set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Bill Murray has always seemed like someone who it would be difficult to be around because they are a bit much. I just assume that anyone who is like that is also horrible in other ways. Anyone who lacks (or ignores) social tact is an automatic asshole to me, and I assume the worst of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Bill Murray reflects on inappropriate behavior that led to the shutdown of his latest film WWW.CNBC.COM Bill Murray is still reflecting on his inappropriate behavior, which led to a production shutdown on the Searchlight Pictures' film "Being Mortal" last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Add Cary Fukunaga to the pile: 'No Time to Die' Director Cary Fukunaga Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Advances by Multiple Young Actresses WWW.THEWRAP.COM "No Time to Die" director Cary Fukunaga has been accused by multiple women of sexual misconduct, TheWrap has learned. Quote “No Time to Die” director Cary Joji Fukunaga has been accused of inappropriate sexual advances by at least three young actresses. In a series of online posts last week, actress Rachelle Vinberg (HBO’s “Betty”) last week accused Fukunaga of taking advantage of their two-decade age difference, claiming he began pressuring her into a romantic relationship just after she had turned 18. She said they became “completely fully intimate” several years later, before he broke it off when she was 21. Meanwhile, twin actresses Hannah and Cailin Loesch (Netflix’s “Maniac”) said they endured the director’s simultaneous romantic pursuit of both of them, with requests for a “threesome” and an encounter last year in his New York City penthouse during which they said “he grabbed [Cailin] and pulled her on top of him, Hannah still right there” — which left Cailin “terrified.” (After the twins refused to have sex with him, they say the director “invited us both to ‘drop acid’ and do molly at his house upstate that weekend.”) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Some big names dropping lately. Another I don't think was mentioned in this thread is Frank Langella, who after getting fired really put his foot in his mouth: Frank Langella declares himself "canceled" after Netflix firing WWW.AVCLUB.COM By his own admission, Langella told The Fall Of The House Of Usher's intimacy coordinator that their input was "absurd" before filming a love scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 This one is more "old white guy says stupid shit, takes way too long to apologize for it", but I figured it might as well go here: Sam Elliot, hating on New Zealander female director Jane Campion and showing his homophobia as well (as well as ignoring many of the most famous Westerns were shot by an Italian director in Italy). Sam Elliott hated The Power Of The Dog for a number of bad reasons WWW.AVCLUB.COM Oh sure, his problem is just that it was filmed in New Zealand He eventually apologized for it, over a month later: Sam Elliott apologizes for Power Of The Dog comments WWW.AVCLUB.COM Earlier this year, Elliott complained on WTF about the film and its "allusions to homosexuality" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Harvey Keitel had no problem with her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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