Chairslinger Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I just can't believe how they have no good options. Well I mean they do (stay in the EU)...but they have no politically viable options due to their two major parties being totally inept. Why is it that even with about 50% of the population wishing to stay in the EU neither major party is advocating that stance? Is it that they genuinely feel now that the vote has been taken they should move forward in that way? Or is it kind of a Trump base thing where both parties are attempting to court the most fervent Leavers because they are the loudest and most passionate even if they're a minority? Or some third reason I am not seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Why is it that even with about 50% of the population wishing to stay in the EU neither major party is advocating that stance? Is it that they genuinely feel now that the vote has been taken they should move forward in that way? Or is it kind of a Trump base thing where both parties are attempting to court the most fervent Leavers because they are the loudest and most passionate even if they're a minority? Or some third reason I am not seeing. Corbyn doesn't like the EU, and he is elected by the members of the party, not the MPs. So even if his party wants to stay, they have no leverage on him because his base are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Why not hold a 2nd Referendum with 3 options: Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, Remain. Both Brexit options count together and Remain would need 50%+1 to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 What makes anyone think the EU even wants the UK to remain at this stage? The UK has whined, bitched, and moaned for decades about every little pissant thing about the EU. The EU attitude should be "good riddance". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Corbyn doesn't like the EU, and he is elected by the members of the party, not the MPs. So even if his party wants to stay, they have no leverage on him because his base are idiots. So why not just replace Corbyn? There has to be substantial public demand to stay, so why isn't that bubbling to the surface in these fights? You mention Corbyn's base....but if they agree with him on leaving then where the hell are all the stayers, because they don't appear to be in May's corner? And they have to be somewhere if they're nearly half the population. Or is it that Corbyn's supporters are stayers, but it's like Climate Change here where Dems are for it, but it's not the defining issue so they'll vote for him even if they disagree on that one issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: but if they agree with him on leaving then where the hell are all the stayers... Scotland and Northern Ireland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Watching a live stream right now. Is that their "House floor?" It's like the smallest room I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 She survives...by a whopping 19 votes (325 to 306). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Also is chatter and reaction common in House proceedings, or is this just because the circumstances are so unique? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Also is chatter and reaction common in House proceedings, or is this just because the circumstances are so unique? Its always pure chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Also is chatter and reaction common in House proceedings, or is this just because the circumstances are so unique? That's par for the course for the House of Commons -- that's why it's called the House of "Commons" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I cant remember the comedian that said it but the House of Commons is like our House of Representatives with a 2 drink minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Littleronin said: I cant remember the comedian that said it but the House of Commons is like our House of Representatives with a 2 drink minimum. And it's 100x better than the US House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: What makes anyone think the EU even wants the UK to remain at this stage? Because, if I recall correctly, the EU supreme court (or whatever it was) basically said the UK could legally come back to the EU just fine without Brexit if the UK chose to do so, no? That would seem to invite the idea that the EU, if not wants them back, is happy to let them back if the UK really needs it (which they do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Because, if I recall correctly, the EU supreme court (or whatever it was) basically said the UK could legally come back to the EU just fine without Brexit if the UK chose to do so, no? That would seem to invite the idea that the EU, if not wants them back, is happy to let them back if the UK really needs it (which they do). What the European Court of Justice says the UK/EU can do is a very different thing than what the political leadership of the EU member states may want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: What the European Court of Justice says the UK/EU can do is a very different thing than what the political leadership of the EU member states may want to do. Agreed, but it's more proof towards a somewhat related international organization being okay with the UK coming back than against it, no? Is there evidence indicating they actively don't want the UK back or willing to accept them back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Because, if I recall correctly, the EU supreme court (or whatever it was) basically said the UK could legally come back to the EU just fine without Brexit if the UK chose to do so, no? That would seem to invite the idea that the EU, if not wants them back, is happy to let them back if the UK really needs it (which they do). Pretty much. The question before the court was basically if the UK can change its mind and revoke Article 50 unilaterally, or if the UK would need to negotiate their terms of membership with the EU. The court ruled that the UK could just cancel Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I think it's safe to say that May isn't going to magically come up with a new deal. So now the choice ends up being between a pro-brexit government deciding to cancel Article 50, almost certainly without another referendum, or leaving the EU without a deal. The Post notes at the end of this article that "It is possible that both Brussels and the British government will seek to delay the process into the summer," so I suppose there is a way to delay things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: She survives...by a whopping 19 votes (325 to 306). I’d say YOLO but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Agreed, but it's more proof towards a somewhat related international organization being okay with the UK coming back than against it, no? Is there evidence indicating they actively don't want the UK back or willing to accept them back? I'm not aware of any "tangible" evidence other than the sheer exasperation of the EU leaders with the UK and its government. And besides, the EU might just want to use the UK to make an example of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 May is speaking at 10pm tonight UK time, it normal for her to speak so late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: May is speaking at 10pm tonight UK time, it normal for her to speak so late? Is there anything remotely "normal" going on in the UK these days?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 2:33 PM, Greatoneshere said: I don't know why but this fucking gif absolutely kills me every time and I burst into idiot laughter at my screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Staying up past 8pm is probably the most naughty thing she's done since she ran through that field of wheat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: I'm not aware of any "tangible" evidence other than the sheer exasperation of the EU leaders with the UK and its government. And besides, the EU might just want to use the UK to make an example of. I'd say they want it to be over just as much as anyone but to suggest they more likely are against the UK than for it is a bridge too far I think. They definitely are exasperated, I'm sure, and they will be punitive with the UK once the UK makes up its mind on what its doing as well, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: They want the benefits of the EU, but no Polish plumbers. That's basically the main issue. The best part of the Polish plumbers thing is that apparently the reason that happened is because the UK was the only Western European country to not exercise their right for a waiting period on Poles being entitled to full freedom of movement after induction into the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: And it's 100x better than the US House. Imagine Trump, Ron Ryan, or McTurtle having to deal with something like Prime Minister's Questions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The only positive from all this could be that it could make other European nations think twice before leaving the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Jason said: Imagine Trump, Ron Ryan, or McTurtle having to deal with something like Prime Minister's Questions. I would love nothing more than for American politicians to be subjected to such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I would love nothing more than for American politicians to be subjected to such a thing. Is one of the biggest reasons I want a parliamentary system That and shit actually gets done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Is one of the biggest reasons I want a parliamentary system That and shit actually gets done And you can get new elections at practically anytime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: And you can get new elections at practically anytime! Man, imagine if we could have had a snap election in February 2017...I mean hell, a snap election a week after the 2016 presidential election probably would have gotten a rather different outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: Man, imagine if we could have had a snap election in February 2017...I mean hell, a snap election a week after the 2016 presidential election probably would have gotten a rather different outcome. Snap election during inauguration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Snap elections are like the political equivalent of Kevin Nash coming down the ramp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Airports, customs, trade: Europe preps for a chaotic Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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