Bloodporne Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Emblazon said: I was half expecting Drogon, after laying waste to the throne and looking back at Jon, to say something profound in the voice of Sean Connery. I was more thinking William Shatner style "DAMN YOOOOUUUUUUUUU THROOOONNNEEEEEE". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emblazon Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: I was more thinking William Shatner style "DAMN YOOOOUUUUUUUUU THROOOONNNEEEEEE". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Mercury33 said: Had a dragon ever turned on a Targaryon? I assumed the reason Drogon didn't burn Jon was because he couldn't. It seemed they were able to sense that bloodline and thats why Jon was able to get close/ride one etc... Nah, Drogon saw first hand that she cray cray. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nublood Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Drogon burning the throne was far fetched. Yea, I know it's medieval fantasy blah blah but whatever. Just didn't feel very Game of Thronesy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I half expected Jon seemingly attempt to Drogon who was going from confusion to a more agitated state. As he pets Drogon on his head Drogon is still struggling to keep from getting enraged at Dany’s death. Jon draws his sword slowly and quietly as he talks calmly to Drogon. Then Jon buries his sword into the top of Drogon’s head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Amazatron said: Nah, Drogon saw first hand that she cray cray. Perfect. Drogon, Virtue Signaler Of The Seven Kingdoms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatGamble Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Bloodporne said: I mean, maybe it's not an issue per say, it's just funny to me that the dramatic ending of the last episode showed her ride out of the city victoriously after all this hardship...only to appear BACK IN IT the next time we see her. Like many little details, it just comes off as silly and half-baked to me. The whole thing felt rushed and goofy. There was nothing victorious about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGreatGamble said: There was nothing victorious about it. She didn't die... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Bloodporne said: She didn't die... She barely survived. I don’t think there was time jump more than a day between episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: She barely survived. I don’t think there was time jump more than a day between episodes. I'm still not sure where you're going with this honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 15 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: All in all, Ayra was definitely my favorite character. When she burst out laughing about her dead aunt after escaping the Red Wedding is probably my favorite comedic moment in the series. 7 hours ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: I feel like for any other show this ending would have been great. For Game of Thrones it just feels too soft. I was expecting there there to be one last gut punch from this show. “It all worked out in the end” doesn’t feel very GOT-like. When we had the thread about other series and how they ended I classified series like Voyager and Buffy as finales that ticked all the boxes, but lacked the emotional punch. I think I would throw GoT in there. And yeah, it seemed like they kind of pussed out on any kind of dark ending. 4 hours ago, JPDunks4 said: Also, before Tyrion ultimately decided on the new King, I thought it might end up with all the Lords arguing and not being able to come to a consensus, just leading to the next "Game of Thrones", and all the Lords already starting a new war with each other. Kind of showing no matter what happens, things will never change, the hunger for power will just keep repeating itself. I think their acquiescence makes sense to a point. While Bran as king is a bit of a stretch, having them all gathered together like that kind of showed why it was possible. It showed how the great houses had been decimated. It was the leftovers of weak or not particularly ambitious lords. They were probably just happy to name a king so the fighting could stop. 3 hours ago, Mercury33 said: Had a dragon ever turned on a Targaryon? I assumed the reason Drogon didn't burn Jon was because he couldn't. It seemed they were able to sense that bloodline and thats why Jon was able to get close/ride one etc... I know that dragon and rider fought and killed one another, but I am not sure if a "trained" dragon would kill a Targaryen without another Targaryen telling it to. Anyway, I have seen a lot of people laugh about Jon's non-punishment. I think it was somewhat saved by the fact that Jon clearly wasn't concerned about his life. He was still torn apart by what he had done. He is the Kingslayer now, and on top of that he loved her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 A lot of the ending certainly feels like what GRRM would get to, but the overall feeling I have is that it was a bit rushed. I think the idea of the power of a great story is a reasonable meta-narrative, and putting Bran in charge feels fine from that perspective. However, it does seem like maybe everyone should have needed to see him make any kind of decision before making him king. Like, maybe we see him offer up what to do with the Dothraki and Unsullied. I think the only active choice we saw him make since he got back to Winterfell was making Tyrion his hand. I think there's a version of this story where it makes sense to make Bran king, but they didn't quite get there. I also think they needed just one more line about the Night's Watch continued existence. I think they could easily say that they know that evil magic is real, that Night King is dead, but they don't know what else might still be out there, justifying the Watch continues its mission. Without that mission, you're basically congregating all your rapists and murderers, arming and training them to no particular end. It also seems odd that Jon would need to go anyway, once Grey Worm is gone. They're not going to come back and start a war because Jon goes to live in Winterfell instead of Castle Black. Still, it seems fitting that Jon would end up there, even if it doesn't all quite make sense. Overall, I guess that's the theme of my personal reaction to this finale: the overall story justified each ending, but the rush to finish meant that many of those endings didn't quite land as well as they could have. I wasn't thrilled or emotional, but I wasn't angry or upset. It was a fine finale, and if this is exactly what GRRM is building towards, I'd be excited to read how he gets there (if I expected him to ever finish). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Emblazon Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 George Lucas being on set explains a lot. <Sits patiently and waits for pictures of Damon Lindelof on set to appear> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 The only weird detail I'm wondering about is how Sam is Grand Maester, given that it is a position bestowed by The Citadel, not the Crown (and he fucked off like one semester into his studies). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, Chris- said: The only weird detail I'm wondering about is how Sam is Grand Maester, given that it is a position bestowed by The Citadel, not the Crown (and he fucked off like one semester into his studies). Yeah, Sam's credits situation is really the only weak spot of the series wrapping up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Chris- said: The only weird detail I'm wondering about is how Sam is Grand Maester, given that it is a position bestowed by The Citadel, not the Crown (and he fucked off like one semester into his studies). AND stole a considerable number of books. Maybe nobody else wanted the gig after what happened to Pycelle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Emblazon said: George Lucas being on set explains a lot. <Sits patiently and waits for pictures of Damon Lindelof on set to appear> Ya, Lucas did have a great ending for the OT (minus ewoks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It's kind of funny that if they are setting up any of the characters for spin offs it is probably Arya going West. The series followed a lot of the broad strokes of The Wheel of Time and before Jordan died prematurely he had said the spinoff he was considering was to have the charming rogue character of that series travel west across the ocean to a land untouched in the main series. Of course, these both might just be taking inspiration from our own history of Europe sailing west to discover new land.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, TwinIon said: A lot of the ending certainly feels like what GRRM would get to, but the overall feeling I have is that it was a bit rushed. I think the idea of the power of a great story is a reasonable meta-narrative, and putting Bran in charge feels fine from that perspective. However, it does seem like maybe everyone should have needed to see him make any kind of decision before making him king. Like, maybe we see him offer up what to do with the Dothraki and Unsullied. I think the only active choice we saw him make since he got back to Winterfell was making Tyrion his hand. I think there's a version of this story where it makes sense to make Bran king, but they didn't quite get there. I also think they needed just one more line about the Night's Watch continued existence. I think they could easily say that they know that evil magic is real, that Night King is dead, but they don't know what else might still be out there, justifying the Watch continues its mission. Without that mission, you're basically congregating all your rapists and murderers, arming and training them to no particular end. It also seems odd that Jon would need to go anyway, once Grey Worm is gone. They're not going to come back and start a war because Jon goes to live in Winterfell instead of Castle Black. Still, it seems fitting that Jon would end up there, even if it doesn't all quite make sense. Overall, I guess that's the theme of my personal reaction to this finale: the overall story justified each ending, but the rush to finish meant that many of those endings didn't quite land as well as they could have. I wasn't thrilled or emotional, but I wasn't angry or upset. It was a fine finale, and if this is exactly what GRRM is building towards, I'd be excited to read how he gets there (if I expected him to ever finish). I'm of the same mind. A lot of Jon's story becomes easier to swallow if Drogon kills him. The Unsullied peace out of this crappy country and the rest of the story just continues as it did. The Night Watch only exists in this ending to give Jon a place he can be exiled to. If Jon dies there with Dany, it would be a more fitting end to them both and it doesn't change a single thing about anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Chris- said: The only weird detail I'm wondering about is how Sam is Grand Maester, given that it is a position bestowed by The Citadel, not the Crown (and he fucked off like one semester into his studies). everyone else was dead. failing upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 Something else I'll add, that ties into my wishes that they'd mentioned the possibility of more walkers/evil magic North of the wall, is that I wish they'd hinted at the idea that not everything got solved. Certainly things ended up pretty well for our surviving main cast, and sure, most of the folks in power seem to want the best for their people, but there's very little reason to think everything will stay happy in Westeros. Maybe it would have been more fitting for GoT to have that last small council meeting be about all the problems facing the realm. There's a horde of Dothraki to deal with, power vacuums all over the place, inexperienced new leaders running huge kingdoms, a King that hardly troubles himself with the fates of men, and one Kingdom that already succeeded. There's a new method for choosing rulers that has only worked once, and was done kinda at a whim. Maybe it would be too much of a downer to say "everyone is happy" and also "did this really solve anything?," but I feel like the latter sentiment is more Game of Thrones, and the elimination of any musical threat ties too much into the former. Perhaps that would have been too deeply unsatisfying for anyone to be happy with, but I also feel like that's the "reality" that this fantasy has pushed viewers to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nublood Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 And Jon dying, and being revived was for what again? Oh, to be exiled and live among barbarians in a a barren tundra. Nice job predicting that one, Bran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Game of Thrones: you either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become a hero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 So did Lena Heady and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau both get paid their full episode pay for their appearance in the finale because if they did that was the acting deal the century. "Go lay down in that pile rubble, you are going to have 3 seconds of screen time, here is your million+ dollars" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, TwinIon said: Perhaps that would have been too deeply unsatisfying for anyone to be happy with, but I also feel like that's the "reality" that this fantasy has pushed viewers to expect. Ah-hah! You see, in a show about "subverting expectations" about standard fantasy tropes, D&D's final subversion was the expectation of a less-than-completely-happy ending. In essence, it was a subversion within a subversion, or "subvertception" if you will. BWWWWAAAA BWWWWAAAA BWWWWAAAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: How do you feel about next year? I don't feel, what's next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I don't feel, what's next year? One of the prequel series is entering pre-production for either a late 2020 or early 2021 release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: This! All I could think was, soooo a single generation house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: One of the prequel series is entering pre-production for either a late 2020 or early 2021 release. I'm rather skeptical it'll have the same popularity or impact. That's what I was referring to. I'm sure I'll watch the prequels, but I don't really feel any excitement, not knowing a damn thing about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: This! All I could think was, soooo a single generation house? They should become the place for unwanted bastards. Adopt the next generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: They should become the place for unwanted bastards. Adopt the next generation. I suppose in the newer, kinder 6 kingdoms, bastards should be given the option of hinterlands or summerlands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emblazon Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: 26 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: This! All I could think was, soooo a single generation house? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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