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Why are you assuming that abortions are purely elective and not due to a health issue of the mother or fetus? Not that this number can be accurately assessed, but stuff like endopic pregnancies are not an insignificant issue.

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14 minutes ago, Dodger said:

So what would the birth rate be if we had say 4.5 million births instead of 3.9 million a year. 

It's not so much the "birth rate" that's the cause for concern, but rather the "fertility rate" and I have no idea the methodology to calculate that.

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2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Why are you assuming that abortions are purely elective and not due to a health issue of the mother or fetus? 

I'm assuming that at least a significant chunk of annual abortions are elective. Again, it's just a thought experiment. Do abortions in first world nations have statistically significant effect on birth rates or not. Birth and fertility rates have been low in first world nations for over a decade and seen as a problem for aging populations with large social safety nets. So I'm simply curious if abortions are having any significant impact on those numbers. 

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I mean, the study is pretty specific about the reasons:

 

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Experts say the decline isn’t due to a single cause, but rather a combination of several factors, including changing economics, delays in childbirth by women pursuing jobs and education, the greater availability of contraception, and a decline in teen pregnancies.

 

I see nothing wrong with any of that with the exception of, "I can't afford it because I get paid shit."

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I don't know everyone's ages but the most frequent reason I hear at least where I live is that people just flat out can't afford it. I mean, they could, but a lot of people here are struggling to get out of one-bedroom apartments with two incomes. 

 

A two bedroom apartment is the new Porsche. 

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38 minutes ago, 2user1cup said:

But aren't abortions down?

Yes, abortions are significantly declining.

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29 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

I mean, the study is pretty specific about the reasons:

 

 

I see nothing wrong with any of that with the exception of, "I can't afford it because I get paid shit."

There's more than likely another reason that's not mentioned:  

 

Guys, our little swimmers just ain't as potent as they used to be!

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Just now, SFLUFAN said:

There's more than likely another reason that's not mentioned:  

 

Guys, our little swimmers just ain't as potent as they used to be!

 

Explain how you got to more than likely. :p 

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Just now, SFLUFAN said:

There's more than likely another reason that's not mentioned:  

 

Guys, our little swimmers just ain't as potent as they used to be!

God hates us all.

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Oooh boy, just wait for the sex/companion robots to fully come out, then you'll really see the birth rate plummet (especially in Japan).

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6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Explain how you got to more than likely. :p 

Sperm Count Zero

A strange thing has happened to men over the past few decades: We’ve become increasingly infertile, so much so that within a generation we may lose the ability to reproduce entirely. What’s causing this mysterious drop in sperm counts—and is there any way to reverse it before it’s too late?

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2 minutes ago, Amazatron said:

Oooh boy, just wait for the sex/companion robots to fully come out, then you'll really see the birth rate plummet (especially in Japan).

Japan already has a population growth rate of -0.2%

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I'm 31, still don't want kids. For a lot of reasons, really, but I also just don't want to bring a child into this world as it is. 

 

I'm one of the people some assholes criticize for not having children, because I could afford one. In fact, I'm pretty sure one person here has criticized me for my choice. Not to mention my family and other people in my life.

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I'm 34, my wife is 31. No plans on having kids anytime soon. Too expensive, too much household debt, wife has epilepsy which can also cause complications. Maybe kids in 4 years or so if we get finances under control 

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Well, you need to be careful with that. My wife and I waited a while too... when we finally started trying, she was 31 and I was 33. It took us 2 years and a lot of doctor help to have our first (and second). It's not always as easy as you think it will be and you it might not be the best idea to wait until she's 35 or 36 to find out. Having children gets way way way more complicated every year you hit after 35 or so.

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5 hours ago, Dodger said:

I ask this not to be snarky but because I'm just not that great maff. What would the birth rate be if we weren't aborting around 800,000 babies a year? Is it statistically insignificant or would it make an actual difference?  

 

Gross. 

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31 minutes ago, ort said:

Well, you need to be careful with that. My wife and I waited a while too... when we finally started trying, she was 31 and I was 33. It took us 2 years and a lot of doctor help to have our first (and second). It's not always as easy as you think it will be and you it might not be the best idea to wait until she's 35 or 36 to find out. Having children gets way way way more complicated every year you hit after 35 or so.

 

 

Neither of us are sold on kids, my wife particularly doesn't want to get pregnant because of her epilepsy and has always wanted to adopt so there's always that option

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4 hours ago, Amazatron said:

Oooh boy, just wait for the sex/companion robots to fully come out, then you'll really see the birth rate plummet (especially in Japan).

 

Movie idea:  Children of Men 2 but it’s just Clive Owen going around destroying sex robots 

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We have three. They aren’t THAT expensive, but my wife had never planned to work outside the home so we haven’t had stuff like day care to pay for.

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I have custody of an Alaskan malamute.  That's quite enough for me!

 

Besides, I've repeatedly exposed my unshielded testicles to low level radiation for cost-free sterilization.

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21 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

We have three. They aren’t THAT expensive, but my wife had never planned to work outside the home so we haven’t had stuff like day care to pay for.

 

Day care is SO expensive. We have three. The cheapest daycare in the area charges close to $300 per child per week. Luckily we have family that helps watch the kids. Otherwise, I'm not convinced we could have afforded anything beyond our first.

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Just now, Ghost_MH said:

Day care is SO expensive. We have three. The cheapest daycare in the area charges close to $300 per cold per week. Luckily we have family that helps watch the kids. Otherwise, I'm not convinced we could have afforded anything beyond our first.

 

Is this an intentional reference to daycares being a major vector for spreading disease? :p

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6 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Is this an intentional reference to daycares being a major vector for spreading disease? :p

 

Blah. Autocorrect.

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36 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

We have three. They aren’t THAT expensive, but my wife had never planned to work outside the home so we haven’t had stuff like day care to pay for.

 

Not everyone is a millionaire theater owner either. :p

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1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Day care is SO expensive. We have three. The cheapest daycare in the area charges close to $300 per child per week. Luckily we have family that helps watch the kids. Otherwise, I'm not convinced we could have afforded anything beyond our first.

Similar price here as well

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1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Day care is SO expensive. We have three. The cheapest daycare in the area charges close to $300 per child per week. Luckily we have family that helps watch the kids. Otherwise, I'm not convinced we could have afforded anything beyond our first.

Just have your wife give up her career and sense of self fullfillment.

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11 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Not everyone is a millionaire theater owner either. :p

My wife quit working when we had our first kid, and that was when I was still in school and barely making $20k a year.

 

10 hours ago, 2user1cup said:

Just have your wife give up her career and sense of self fullfillment.

 

Not all people get any sense of fulfillment from work. My wife was all set to return to work after our first kid was born, but the Sunday before she was supposed to start back at her job she came to me crying and asking me if she could quit. Her bosses at Bank of America offered her a promotion and the ability to work 50% from home.

 

She didn’t care, staying home with the kids was the thing she desired.

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12 hours ago, sblfilms said:

We have three. They aren’t THAT expensive, but my wife had never planned to work outside the home so we haven’t had stuff like day care to pay for.

 

Well yeah, kids aren't expensive when one parents foregoes income to stay home and raise them. But you're in a privileged position for her to do that. Most people can't even afford rent without two incomes.

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2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Well yeah, kids aren't expensive when one parents foregoes income to stay home and raise them. But you're in a privileged position for her to do that. Most people can't even afford rent without two incomes.

See above. We did it when I was a poor college student :p

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1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

We did it when I was a poor college student :p

Nice sex brag, bro.

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If you consider the fact that one parent is forgoing an income to do a ton of work at home for nothing it's not hard to imagine how expensive childcare is even for those that didn't have to shell out for it. Giving up another even 20 grand per year isn't insignificant. 

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