Movies Disney puts the brakes on "A Star Wars Story" anthology films

[SaysWho?]

Just now, HGLatinBoy said:

I stand by what I said. I cant imagine anyone ever saying "The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars movie and its also my favorite movie of all time"

 

Yes, that would be a strange bubble. I don't have to imagine people saying that. 

 

You're just wrong on this one, sorry dude.  

[HGLatinBoy]

Nope. I'm not saying people cant like it and rated high on their Star Wars list but I still think its a pretty much on the "meh" to "not good" side of the spectrum. 

 

Just for reference, My ranking

 

ESB > ANH > RO > RotS>TFA>RotJ>E.T.>TPM>TLJ>AotC>

 

I haven't seen Solo so I cant place that in there yet. 

[Brick]

5 hours ago, HGLatinBoy said:

Also, who the fuck saw the Last Jedi and fucking loved it? NO ONE. 

 

I did. I loved it.

[johnny]

32 minutes ago, HGLatinBoy said:

Nope. I'm not saying people cant like it and rated high on their Star Wars list but I still think its a pretty much on the "meh" to "not good" side of the spectrum. 

 

Just for reference, My ranking

 

ESB > ANH > RO > RotS>TFA>RotJ>E.T.>TPM>TLJ>AotC>

 

I haven't seen Solo so I cant place that in there yet. 

Well I’m glad we have established that you have horrible rankings 

[HGLatinBoy]

Based on what? The only really good Star Wars movies were the first 3 on the list the rest are meh

 

[Kamusha]

I loved The Last Jedi but am also completely fine letting people dislike it. I guess I'm weird like that.

[Kal-El814]

44 minutes ago, Komusha said:

I loved The Last Jedi but am also completely fine letting people dislike it. I guess I'm weird like that.

Despite enjoying discussions around why someone might or might not like it, I don't have a problem letting anyone like or dislike it.

 

I am constantly confused by the insistence that people at large did not like it despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. So lots of people like something that some people don't. Who cares? Again, I really dislike the prequels but people love them. Who cares?

[johnny]

3 hours ago, Komusha said:

I loved The Last Jedi but am also completely fine letting people dislike it. I guess I'm weird like that.

The problem is a lot of these people want to die on the hill that Luke isnt true to his character or bring up other random Shit as to why they dislike the film. I can totally get why people didn’t like Leia using the force or the whole casino bit but most of their arguments sound like Star Wars fans who are just upset Rian Johnson did different things than what they would have wanted. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

Despite enjoying discussions around why someone might or might not like it, I don't have a problem letting anyone like or dislike it.

 

I am constantly confused by the insistence that people at large did not like it despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. So lots of people like something that some people don't. Who cares? Again, I really dislike the prequels but people love them. Who cares?

 

It is just strange that some people seemingly need there to be a lot of people who agree with their opinion of the film to validate that opinion.

 

I LOVE Drumline and I don’t care what y’all think of it

[HGLatinBoy]

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

It is just strange that some people seemingly need there to be a lot of people who agree with their opinion of the film to validate that opinion.

 

I LOVE Drumline and I don’t care what y’all think of it

 

this is now your avatar

 

[SuperSpreader]

TLJ killed Star Wars

[CitizenVectron]

16 hours ago, HGLatinBoy said:

I stand by what I said. I cant imagine anyone ever saying "The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars movie and its also my favorite movie of all time"

 

I don't know that anyone is saying the latter, thought some may be saying the former. Honestly I think it's possible that someone could have it be their favourite SW film, especially if they value cinematography as it's undeniably the most beautifully-shot SW movie.

 

In any case, here is a 20-second fan edit that I think we can all agree fixes the movie entirely:

 

 

As funny as this is, it actually would fix one of the criticisms of the movie. Well, not her doing it this way, but if she piloted the ship instead of Holdo. As someone on Resetera has pointed out, Poe could say something like "You can't use a ship as a ram in hyperspace, the jump is too erratic!" Then show Leia concentrating with the Force, and doing it anyway. It would explain why they don't just ram drone X-Wings into Star Destroyers all the time, and would provide a nice sendoff to her character as well as allow Holdo to remain as the leader of the new Rebellion (since there are already so few continuous side-characters in the new trilogy). This of course is said with hindsight that Carrie Fisher was going to die in real life. Obviously if she would have lived then having her play a role in stopping/turning Ben would have been more important.

[HGLatinBoy]

There is a lot wrong with the movie and yes Leía sacrificing herself to save the rest of the crew would’ve been a nice touch but the fact that the movie picks up immediately after the last movie with Daisy Ridley suddenly looking a little thicc just feels wrong a little time skip would’ve been nice. The biggest problem is that the entirety of the movie is a long ass chase scene with nothing happening. Instead the the action takes place offsite and then suddenly they all meet up again. Personally my biggest disappointment is the mishandling of Luke.

[Wild]

On 6/20/2018 at 11:55 PM, outsida said:

Disney is shocked when a movie no one asked for, Solo, does poorly? Now they punish us by delaying the one movie we really want, Obi Wan...

 

WB was supposed to learn from Disney, not the other way around...!

[ALIEN-gunner]

I liked Solo even with the part were it was suggested that Lando had sex with a that droid. Speaking of that droid I found it pretty hilarious that she was way over the top and a obvious parody of SJW's. The movie was fine but it wasn't advertised well and followed the dismal That Last Jedi. I doubt the Rian Johnson trilogy is ever going to happen. I'm pretty confident he'll never be allowed to fuck up Star Wars again. 

[SaysWho?]

8 hours ago, ALIEN-gunner said:

I liked Solo even with the part were it was suggested that Lando had sex with a that droid. Speaking of that droid I found it pretty hilarious that she was way over the top and a obvious parody of SJW's. The movie was fine but it wasn't advertised well and followed the dismal That Last Jedi. I doubt the Rian Johnson trilogy is ever going to happen. I'm pretty confident he'll never be allowed to fuck up Star Wars again. 

 

Oh ho ho ho!

[Kal-El814]

14 hours ago, ALIEN-gunner said:

I liked Solo even with the part were it was suggested that Lando had sex with a that droid. Speaking of that droid I found it pretty hilarious that she was way over the top and a obvious parody of SJW's. The movie was fine but it wasn't advertised well and followed the dismal That Last Jedi. I doubt the Rian Johnson trilogy is ever going to happen. I'm pretty confident he'll never be allowed to fuck up Star Wars again. 

I am shocked that you are incapable of identifying parody. Shocked I say!

[Brick]

On 6/24/2018 at 3:47 PM, HGLatinBoy said:

There is a lot wrong with the movie and yes Leía sacrificing herself to save the rest of the crew would’ve been a nice touch but the fact that the movie picks up immediately after the last movie with Daisy Ridley suddenly looking a little thicc just feels wrong a little time skip would’ve been nice. The biggest problem is that the entirety of the movie is a long ass chase scene with nothing happening. Instead the the action takes place offsite and then suddenly they all meet up again. Personally my biggest disappointment is the mishandling of Luke.

 

Daisy Ridley looked thicc?

[Reputator]

On 6/24/2018 at 12:18 AM, johnny said:

The problem is a lot of these people want to die on the hill that Luke isnt true to his character or bring up other random Shit as to why they dislike the film. I can totally get why people didn’t like Leia using the force or the whole casino bit but most of their arguments sound like Star Wars fans who are just upset Rian Johnson did different things than what they would have wanted. 

 

Why is that a problem? That's us pointing out our problems with it. That's a problem because X reason and Y reason are OK but not Z? Like, what does it matter? If you liked the movie and others didn't, why should you care what their reasons are?

[johnny]

1 minute ago, Reputator said:

 

Why is that a problem? That's us pointing out our problems with it. That's a problem because X reason and Y reason are OK but not Z? Like, what does it matter? If you liked the movie and others didn't, why should you care what their reasons are?

Because z problem is fucking stupid 

[Reputator]

Just now, johnny said:

Because z problem is fucking stupid 

 

Ah that explains it perfectly. Thanks!

[johnny]

3 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

Ah that explains it perfectly. Thanks!

Sorry the pages of threads explaining why it’s stupid were erased 

[Reputator]

Just now, johnny said:

Sorry the pages of threads explaining why it’s stupid were erased 

 

We're talking opinions anyway. It was one group of opinions against another. It wasn't exactly "objective evidence" or some shit.

 

I just think it's funny you've created some arbitrary set of criteria for it to be OK to not like The Last Jedi. Otherwise you describe it as "a problem".

[SaysWho?]

 

[Kamusha]

On 6/23/2018 at 9:53 PM, Kal-El814 said:

Despite enjoying discussions around why someone might or might not like it, I don't have a problem letting anyone like or dislike it.

 

I am constantly confused by the insistence that people at large did not like it despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. So lots of people like something that some people don't. Who cares? Again, I really dislike the prequels but people love them. Who cares?

 

So what you’re saying is that you’re fine with letting them hate them, you just want to make sure they know they are in the minority and that their opinion doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. 

 

I dunno, I just don’t care anymore. These discussions have been happening for over half a year now and I think if TLJ haters were capable of changing their minds it would have happened a long time ago. If they want to think they are in the majority then let them.

[Kal-El814]

1 hour ago, Komusha said:

So what you’re saying is that you’re fine with letting them hate them, you just want to make sure they know they are in the minority and that their opinion doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. 

I only want to let them know that they’re in the minority if they’re making demonstrably false claims to seed some other point about the movie, the direction of the franchise, etc. “Disney needs to do X because a lot of people hated The Last Jedi,” stuff? Yes, I will point out that most people did in fact really like the movie and that people who don’t like it are a loud minority because that claim starts with a false premise.

 

It’s not a “suck it, your opinion is the minority,” kind of thing. It’s not like I’m unfamiliar with the feeling. I think The Phantom Menace is the best of the prequels and that despite Return of the Jedi having probably the best individual moments in the whole franchise, it’s deeply flawed and is barely a good movie.

[brucoe]

On 6/21/2018 at 9:03 AM, Rodimus said:

I know the fans wanted Kathleen Kennedy gone from Lucas so they boycotted Solo by only seeing it once. Looks like they chose to view it as Star Wars Fatigue. I guess they will get the picture after the next star wars.

It's not just that. I suspect a lot of the problems of the Solo film were twofold: First, people were really pissed at Kathleen Kennedy and her attack on fans as some bizarre approach at serving the customers. When she did that, I just shook my head and said, yeah, that's gonna end well. Second, the whole allure of Han Solo is his mysterious background. That's the ONE character you DON'T want details filled in. People imagined his background, and they were happy with that. Any attempt to provide more information was going to get immediate responses, kind of like if someone decided to change any part of the story we do know about Solo, like maybe having the bad guy shoot first when we all remember him shooting first. Think of it this way. I always imagined that when Solo met Chewie, it was probably an awesome story. Seeing it kind of ruins it for me because I'm always going to assume it was a lot more awesome than Disney is going to make it.

[CitizenVectron]

2 hours ago, brucoe said:

It's not just that. I suspect a lot of the problems of the Solo film were twofold: First, people were really pissed at Kathleen Kennedy and her attack on fans as some bizarre approach at serving the customers. When she did that, I just shook my head and said, yeah, that's gonna end well. Second, the whole allure of Han Solo is his mysterious background. That's the ONE character you DON'T want details filled in. People imagined his background, and they were happy with that. Any attempt to provide more information was going to get immediate responses, kind of like if someone decided to change any part of the story we do know about Solo, like maybe having the bad guy shoot first when we all remember him shooting first. Think of it this way. I always imagined that when Solo met Chewie, it was probably an awesome story. Seeing it kind of ruins it for me because I'm always going to assume it was a lot more awesome than Disney is going to make it.

 

95% of people who see Star Wars movies don't even know who Kathleen Kennedy is, and 90% don't care about the details of movies. In the end it failed because:

 

1) Less general awareness of the movie

2) Not Harrison Ford and not mainline film in the trilogy

3) Marketing didn't make it look interesting

[thewhyteboar]

12 hours ago, SaysWho? said:

 

 

 

[TwinIon]

18 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

95% of people who see Star Wars movies don't even know who Kathleen Kennedy is, and 90% don't care about the details of movies. In the end it failed because:

 

1) Less general awareness of the movie

2) Not Harrison Ford and not mainline film in the trilogy

3) Marketing didn't make it look interesting

I agree. I place the blame almost entirely on marketing. People didn't know the movie was coming out, and what they had seen of it didn't make them really care.

 

Good marketing is the art of making people care about what they didn't before. Even if people might shrug at the idea of a Han Solo origin story, if they had trailers as good as the ones for Guardians and they'd pushed it earlier instead of waiting for TLJ to slow down, I have no doubt it could have been big.

 

Solo sold eight million fewer tickets than Rogue One opening weekend. I'm very skeptical that any significant portion of those folks have any clue who Kathleen Kennedy is, knew anything about the turmoil surrounding the making of the movie, or were boycotting because of TLJ. The fact of the matter is that Disney put out a mediocre film that was poorly marketed and hoped that having Star Wars in the title would make it one of the biggest movies of the year., and that just wasn't the case.

 

Also, I walked out of TLJ with a friend and we both loved it. My experience has been that most of my friends either loved or liked TLJ, with one person who really disliked it.

[Wild]

TLJ is up on Netflix now, for those that are interested.

[Kamusha]

11 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

I only want to let them know that they’re in the minority if they’re making demonstrably false claims to seed some other point about the movie, the direction of the franchise, etc. “Disney needs to do X because a lot of people hated The Last Jedi,” stuff? Yes, I will point out that most people did in fact really like the movie and that people who don’t like it are a loud minority because that claim starts with a false premise.

 

It’s not a “suck it, your opinion is the minority,” kind of thing. It’s not like I’m unfamiliar with the feeling. I think The Phantom Menace is the best of the prequels and that despite Return of the Jedi having probably the best individual moments in the whole franchise, it’s deeply flawed and is barely a good movie.

 

I mean, why does it matter? That really was the main point of my initial post. You only quoted my first paragraph, which was intended as more of a joke (hence the  emoticon).

 

The second paragraph is more what acually concerns me. These debates have been happening for over a half a year and haven’t gone anywhere. I also post on the Vestibule where it’s much more poplar to hate on TLJ and I just avoid discussing it because it obviously isn’t going anywhere. It seems like anytime a TLJ makes any sort of remark or a boycott, the fans go crazy. The thing is I actually expect more of the users who typically argue in favor of TLJ,l. Wade has even asked you guys many times to stop.

 

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture. Enjoy, sir, your insensibility of feeling and reflecting. It is the prerogative of animals. And no man will envy you these honors, in which a savage only can be your rival and a bear your master."
- Thomas Paine

[johnny]

“Why does it matter” 

 

BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTERNET 

[GeneticBlueprint]

4 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

 

This is the single greatest tweet I have ever seen. Twitter should probably just close down now.

[Kamusha]

Sorry guys. I’m quitting caffeine cold turkey this week and the withdrawals are making me sometimes slip into bitch mode. Well, more so than I usually do.