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4 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

I have absolutely zero real-world examples that come to mind.

 

So practically speaking there's no real world example where "two wrongs make a right" would even come into play is what you're saying (yet)? If true, then practically speaking for all intents and purposes two wrongs do in fact not make a right - or a case hasn't come up yet at least.

 

But theoretically, I'd be open to discussing potential such cases though I think broadly speaking acquitting guilty people is not a good thing. 

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5 hours ago, SFLUFAN said:

Technically speaking, that would be the justification, but we can easily imagine a situation where the evidence in all its forms does point to guilt and the jury ignores that evidence to make a "political" point.

You don't really have to imagine such a case. I posted a link to one that was very local to me. A woman was raped and there was irrefutable evidence of his guilt.

 

At least the jury on his other trial decided not to ignore the evidence, but that was a high profile news anchor and she was brutally murdered.

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2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Like most cases in this country go to trial...:lol:

 

Most cases are plead out and the accused is convicted, we're not the number 1 jailers on the planet for nothing. And this notion that there's this epidemic of black juries letting guilty people go free is just stupid and I'm not even sure why it came up in this topic. R Kelly wasn't acquitted because he was black and had a black jury.  He was acquitted because he was rich,  was able to stall the trial as a strategic move and then silence the victim and her family.  THAT'S why he got off in spite of the testimony from other victims of his who were written off because they were black and Hispanic women that society undervalues AND the onus of proving sexual assault is always on the women despite the color of her skin or her socioeconomic background... as the Kavanaugh hearings showed. This side bar discussion has been amusing, but its completely besides the point for this very topic.

I'm not suggesting there's an epidemic of this happening and I don't know of anyone here who is. But it does happen and in some cases there are very real victims who suffer even more because of it. It infuriates me to this day that Emmett Till's murderers were acquitted and it infuriates me that a woman who was brutally raped doesn't get her justice.

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12 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said:

I'm not suggesting there's an epidemic of this happening and I don't know of anyone here who is. But it does happen and in some cases there are very real victims who suffer even more because of it. It infuriates me to this day that Emmett Till's murderers were acquitted and it infuriates me that a woman who was brutally raped doesn't get her justice.

As though we can be upset at two things at the same time :p

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2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

As though we can be upset at two things at the same time :p

I know, I speak madness. :p 

 

For the record, I'm not nearly as bothered by essentially victimless crimes, like drug charges being overlooked. Lord knows minorities bear the brunt of those types of charges and white people often get off comparatively (really)light. I'm just really bothered when victims go through horrific experiences and don't get the justice they deserve when it should be an easy path.

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3 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

 

Lady Gaga pulling her song and apologizing for her song with him @Bloodporne

 

 

She's trying to still get that Oscar lol... she not only did a song with him but defended him pretty strongly at the time they did it

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2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

 

Lady Gaga pulling her song and apologizing for her song with him @Bloodporne

 

 

This whole 'apology' game is really silly to me. It's an obvious marketing strategy and I don't know why people feel good about and/or demand apologies like this. Not addressing you personally.

 

I don't listen to her in the first place and only brought it up initially because I see the absurd humor in someone like Lady Gaga doing a song with a man who is well-known to treat women like shit. Why apologize now yet do it in the first place? Right, there's a documentary and suddenly it matters because you have a hit movie and all that. 

 

I don't need "my" artists to be perfect, holy or even fucking close for personal consumption yet I still see the pathetic irony in someone like her who built a career on anti-bullying et cetera doing songs with a dude who even at the time was known to be a woman hater.

 

CREAM get the money but at least stop pretending. 

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11 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I don't need "my" artists to be perfect, holy or even fucking close for personal consumption

 

You probably have a shrine devoted to Varg you fucking monster!

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Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

 

You probably have a shrine devoted to Varg you fucking monster!

Sadly, I do not but the first few Burzum albums have been very important to me since like '97 and I can't say it's made me a murderer, arsonist or white supremacist. 

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I do think Gaga is probably somewhat sincere,  shes young enough to have not really been aware of the pee tape and the underage married thing, plus she's messed up too if she was molested when she was younger. But she was probably headed for an Oscar nomination for her role in A Star is Born and this could easily derail that if she doesn't nip it in the bud... which she did.

On another note R.Kelly himself was molested, allegedly by his older sister and an unnamed older dude in his neighborhood.  Not saying that excuses or justified what he's done because he should have gotten help as an adult, but it does explain how he's so fucked up.

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3 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Of course he does because he's an idiot.

You missed my pun :(

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42 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

To add to that,  Kells got booked for a show AFTER the airing of the documentary in GERMANY. Not a whole lot of black folks there and he can't get many bookings here in the states.

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