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Trump ‘at this moment’ opposes deal to avert shutdown, wants more border funding

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12 minutes ago, johnny said:

#SCHUMERSHUTDOWN

 

 

It must be true because Chuck Schumer's surname begins with the same letter.

 

 

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Give him funding for the wall but make him raise taxes to pay for it. So funding can only come from the new revenue made from the tax hike. If he wants to get any where he’ll need to hit up the 1%. 

 

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2 minutes ago, chakoo said:

Give him funding for the wall but make him raise taxes to pay for it. So funding can only come from the new revenue made from the tax hike. If he wants to get any where he’ll need to hit up the 1%. 

 

:)

They’ll just blame the democrats for the tax hike 

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7 minutes ago, johnny said:

They’ll just blame the democrats for the tax hike 

 

That's a tar baby though, tax hikes on the 1%? Can't buy advertising that good.

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2 minutes ago, Anathema- said:

 

That's a tar baby though, tax hikes on the 1%? Can't buy advertising that good.

Yeah good luck with that 

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I mean ya, I know, but seriously, what the FUCK does this mean?

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5 hours ago, SaysWho? said:

 

 

At least it's fucking something. The loser Democrats better stick to their guns for once. Not a goddamn penny.

 

Also, even if Trump doesn't sign the bill, can't they force the bill by a 2/3's vote pass in the Senate afterwards? Who cares if Trump doesn't sign it?

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Just now, Greatoneshere said:

 

At least it's fucking something. The loser Democrats better stick to their guns for once. Not a goddamn penny.

 

Also, even if Trump doesn't sign the bill, can't they force the bill by a 2/3's vote pass in the Senate afterwards? Who cares if Trump doesn't sign it?

They can override a veto, but turtle won't bring the bill to a vote without Trump's support

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3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

They can override a veto, but turtle won't bring the bill to a vote without Trump's support

 

He did say that, but I don't understand why? Who cares on either side whether Trump supports it?

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3 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

He did say that, but I don't understand why? Who cares on either side whether Trump supports it?

 

He's unwilling to be seen working with the Democrats. That's really all it is. The Senate passed this bill 100-0 right before the shutdown, but he knew it wouldn’t come up for a vote in the House. Now that it can actually pass in the House he's against it. Which is classic McConnell fuckery, remember that time he filibustered his own bill because he was only proposing it to try to make the Democrats look bad by opposing it, and then they caught him off guard by actually supporting it?

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

He's unwilling to be seen working with the Democrats. That's really all it is. The Senate passed this bill 100-0 right before the shutdown, but he knew it wouldn’t come up for a vote in the House. Now that it can actually pass in the House he's against it. Which is classic McConnell fuckery, remember that time he filibustered his own bill? 

 

But he let the Russia sanctions bill pass and Trump didn't want to sign that either?

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1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

But he let the Russia sanctions bill pass and Trump didn't want to sign that either?

Trump did sign though, and it didn't involve his precious wall

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Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Trump did sign though

 

But McTurtle wasn't sure he would - Trump did it very begrudgingly and last minute. Who is to say he wouldn't this time?

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Just now, Greatoneshere said:

 

But McTurtle wasn't sure he would - Trump did it very begrudgingly and last minute. Who is to say he wouldn't this time?

It wasn't his stupid wall as the hinge point

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1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

It wasn't his stupid wall as the hinge point

 

True enough, but again, McTurtle could override. I just don't see what difference it makes if Trump is very unwilling but might begrudgingly sign (Russia sanctions) over being even more unwilling and even less likely to sign (in this case)? Like, what difference does that make to McTurtle?

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Wants to stay in good graces with el trumpo

 

I'm sure he still be would in time. He was after the Russia sanctions. 

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So this is playing into the "small government guys" hands right? Those Freedom Caucus guys have no interest in having a working, productive federal government.

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2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So this is playing into the "small government guys" hands right? Those Freedom Caucus guys have no interest in having a working, productive federal government.

Doesn't it also mean the military/DoD is working without pay as well?

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2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Doesn't it also mean the military/DoD is working without pay as well?

Small sacrifice to pay... these folks see the military as potential threat anyway. Who do you think they need all those guns for?

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3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So this is playing into the "small government guys" hands right? Those Freedom Caucus guys have no interest in having a working, productive federal government.

 

 

That tends to be the problem. The GOP takes a hostage and they immediately have the advantage because they don't care if they kill the hostage.

 

The opportunity here is that Trump, through his incompetence, has dealt the Dems an unusually strong opening hand despite that inherently uneven playing field.

 

With the "I will take the mantle" soundbyte in one hand, and Trump's demand being something fairly unpopular in the other the Dems need to stand strong and unwavering here imho. 

 

It has the potential to hurt Trump politically, but more importantly if they can't win with this hand, then they might as well not even put up a fight when it comes to the budget. If they can't "win" this one, then the GOP will just continue to play hardball and get whatever they want.

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15 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Doesn't it also mean the military/DoD is working without pay as well?

The DoD is not impacted by this shutdown because it's been funded by a separate appropriations bill.

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10 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

The DoD is not impacted by this shutdown because it's been funded by a separate appropriations bill.

Lol looks like hundreds of thousands of people are gonna lose their homes and be out of a job for months for some stupid fucking wall

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15 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Lol looks like hundreds of thousands of people are gonna lose their homes and be out of a job for months for some stupid fucking wall

 

You know what you need in order to have a house? WALLS.

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17 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

Shoes on the other foot now.

 

 

 

Is he the youngish GOP Congressman who kept going on TV news during the midterms to frowny-face about Trump needing to stop saying the quiet parts out loud?

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