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Trump ‘at this moment’ opposes deal to avert shutdown, wants more border funding

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Something I continue to find kinda funny: even with all this talk, the White House still doesn't have a plan for a wall.

 

They're asking for a specific number, but they have no justification for it. There's no plan, no cost summary, no real world estimates. The current steel slat design wasn't one of the prototypes. This is Trump's signature policy proposal and they don't have a clue what they'd do even if given the money.

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9 minutes ago, TwinIon said:

Something I continue to find kinda funny: even with all this talk, the White House still doesn't have a plan for a wall.

 

They're asking for a specific number, but they have no justification for it. There's no plan, no cost summary, no real world estimates. The current steel slat design wasn't one of the prototypes. This is Trump's signature policy proposal and they don't have a clue what they'd do even if given the money.

 

It's been amazing the conversation has been about simply giving the White House the money for a win, but few are asking (as always): "where is the money going? How will it be spent? What are we defining as a wall to the public?" 

 

It's as infuriating as every time a Republican, particularly Trump, says something like: "people are saying it. Lots of people have come to me and told me we need a wall." And no journalist ever goes: "WHICH PEOPLE? WHERE? NAME THEM. WHO IS SAYING IT?"

 

It's insane, as always. 

 

I loved when Katy Tur finally put the screws and did this tactic with one Trump guy (go to minute 6:30):

 

 

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I wonder how the court challenge would work out if he does decide to declare an emergency and use the military to build the wall. I imagine there are pretty clear arguments to be made that there is no national emergency, and probably question of funding as well, but what kind of standing is required in such a case? I have no clue how that would all shake out.

 

It'll also be fun to find out if Trump will sign the budget if he does decide to go this route. If he's going to use emergency powers to build the wall, then it seems like it would be acceptable to fund the government.

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15 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

 

He's going to try the military option.

 

A prime time temper tantrum? :daydream:

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Also...so he uses the military to fund the wall...but on what land? The government can't just appropriate from thousands of people under military order.

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1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also...so he uses the military to fund the wall...but on what land? The government can't just appropriate from thousands of people under military order.

 

You're tempting fate with those words my friend. 

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7 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

You're tempting fate with those words my friend. 

 

YOOOO, eminent domain lawsuits take foreeeeehhhhhver.

This thing will never, ever be built.

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Just now, ByWatterson said:

 

YOOOO, eminent domain lawsuits take foreeeeehhhhhver.

This thing will never, ever be built.

 

Oh, I don't think so either, but with Trump you never know what insane shit snowballs into more insane shit. 

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3 minutes ago, ByWatterson said:

 

YOOOO, eminent domain lawsuits take foreeeeehhhhhver.

This thing will never, ever be built.

 

I wonder if there would a be a third amendment component to this as well?  

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1 minute ago, mclumber1 said:

 

I wonder if there would a be a third amendment component to this as well?  

 

Arguably, if he goes the militarization route.

 

And it's the only right that hasn't been selectively incorporated!  GOOOOO!!!

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17 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

Also...so he uses the military to fund the wall...but on what land? The government can't just appropriate from thousands of people under military order.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

Will Trump be pushed on this lie by the press?

 

Probably not. 

 

The guy whose tweet I posted is using the mealy mouthed "without evidence" despite it CLEARLY being a lie, so no. 

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Not sure what news you guys are watching... anchors on CNN call Trump a liar all the time. Folks know he's a liar... they're just numb to it now. Which is unfortunate.

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8 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

I was speaking towards confronting Trump directly about his lies, not just calling him a liar on air. 

 

 

Probably the only good one during the past 2 years.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

lol at anyone who thinks that man is capable of thinking with that degree of foresight, let alone the idea that Trump would willingly take a loss to save face.

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No one in the administration knew exactly what a shutdown meant

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/trump-shutdown-government-did-not-know.html

 

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Nobody in the administration had a clear understanding of just what a shutdown would entail. Two devastating reports in the Washington Post over the weekend detail the horrifying scope of their ignorance. The administration did not realize that 38 million Americans lose their food stamps under a shutdown, nor did it know that thousands of tenants would face eviction without assistance from the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

 

Administration officials “recognized only this week the breadth of the potential impact,” reports the Post, and was “focused now on understanding the scope of the consequences and determining whether there is anything they can do to intervene.” First Trump shut down the government, and then the Trump administration started looking into what effect this would have.

 

Also:

 

 

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The IRS issuing refunds is potentially/probably a violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act.

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1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said:

The IRS issuing refunds is potentially/probably a violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act.

 

"No deficiency here, folks, believe me."

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Hmm, I wonder why the adminstration would prioritize tax refunds over food stamps and housing assistance, hmmmmmmmnmn......

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9 minutes ago, Chris- said:

Hmm, I wonder why the adminstration would prioritize tax refunds over food stamps and housing assistance, hmmmmmmmnmn......

 

What rich people are letting themselves be owed refunds?

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

 

What rich people are letting themselves be owed refunds?

 

Not rich white people, middle class white people. 

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