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2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

They don't have to fall in line for executive action, and there are already numerous elected Democrats who have been bought off by him already

 

But they do. The only reason Trump's executive orders haven't all been overturned is because Republicans in Congress won't back any legislation to overturn them. So again, which Democrats in Congress are going to allow any racist executive orders to continue unchallenged?

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Breakout of that poll:

 

 

Right up until the day the general election is held, I still expect the media to be asking "But can Bernie pull in minority voters, or will he only have his 18-year old, male base?"

 

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7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

Take with a grain of salt, but DFP had the closest polls in Iowa and NH. Only thing they missed by more than 3% was Klobuchar in NH:

 

 

35% + 16% = 51% progressive! Do we get to pull that meme if this is the result?

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11 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

But they do. The only reason Trump's executive orders haven't all been overturned is because Republicans in Congress won't back any legislation to overturn them. So again, which Democrats in Congress are going to allow any racist executive orders to continue unchallenged?

That's not how EOs work. They are interpreting existing statuatory authority/directing appropriate agencies on how to use funds as appropriated by Congress. For Congress to override them on a sitting POTUS, they need to be able to override a veto. Same for the use of the Congressional review act for major agency regulations. Needless to say, this majority will not appear to overturn Republican aligned policy.

 

When it comes to things like refugee resettlement numbers, the remain in Mexico policy, ICE raids in US cities, etc. Bloomberg would have to take an affirmative step to undo these policies. Based on what he has said  *prior to his run for president* (and after he stopped funding Republican candidates for office) and what he had done as mayor of the largest city in the country, why should you believe he'd do anything he says now? 

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1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

Take with a grain of salt, but DFP had the closest polls in Iowa and NH. Only thing they missed by more than 3% was Klobuchar in NH:

 

 

 

I hope that's more like it, though Nevada is notoriously difficult to poll. Bernie seems to poll well with Hispanic Democrats, so if the Nevada polling error is like it is in general elections, that could be good for him.

 

But that's also me hoping he does well. :p 

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1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

That's not how EOs work. They are interpreting existing statuatory authority/directing appropriate agencies on how to use funds as appropriated by Congress. For Congress to override them on a sitting POTUS, they need to be able to override a veto. Same for the use of the Congressional review act for major agency regulations. Needless to say, this majority will not appear to overturn Republican aligned policy.

 

When it comes to things like refugee resettlement numbers, the remain in Mexico policy, ICE raids in US cities, etc. Bloomberg would have to take an affirmative step to undo these policies. Based on what he has said  *prior to his run for president* (and after he stopped funding Republican candidates for office) and what he had done as mayor of the largest city in the country, why should you believe he'd do anything he says now? 


Immigration is good for his business buddies, that’s why he’ll reverse course on a lot of that stuff.

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More than 17,000 showed up to a Sanders Tacoma rally:

 

 

Hell if I know if he's actually going to win.

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3 minutes ago, Dodger said:

Image result for bernie or pete charger meme

 

Whoever did this should have put, "Okay, yeah. Good," for Bernie just cuz. Now I'm irrationally angry.

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5 hours ago, SaysWho? said:

Bloomberg qualifies for the Nevada debate despite not even being in the caucus.

 

Sweet! Get his ass out there.

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2 weeks till super Tuesday after which we should have this field down to 3 or 4 and see if we are in for brokered convention or if Sanders is going to run away with it.

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I know what Sanders' strategy will be against Bloomberg in the debate.

 

And I know the buying elections argument works and is something Buttigieg/Biden/Klobuchar can and will bring up, as well as Warren. But I'm very curious what other strategies they use against Bloomberg.

 

And Steyer, for that matter, being the billionaire who's not spending what Bloomberg is.

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What Obama Is Saying in Private About the Democratic Primary

 

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t also reflects a choreographed strategy. With the race looking more and more likely to grow bitter and messy, and maybe even wind up in a contested convention, the former president and those around him are increasingly sure he will need to play a prominent role in bringing the party back together and calming its tensions later this summer, including perhaps in Milwaukee, where the party’s meeting is scheduled to be held in July. So he is committed to not allowing his personal thoughts to dribble out in the meantime, directly or via leaks, conscious of how any sense that he’s taking sides in intraparty disputes could rock the primary in the short run and potentially undermine his ability to play this larger role in the months ahead.

 

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He speaks with fewer people regularly about politics than ever — he rarely even talks with Tom Perez

 

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But this isn’t just about distance from the action, either — it’s also because he doesn’t want to provide Trump with a political foil, and because he wants a new generation of Democratic leaders to step up, and to stop relying on him. (He’s only gotten directly involved in one domestic political fight since Trump was elected, working behind the scenes to help save the Affordable Care Act.)

 

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Privately, he reminds friends that the views of the candidate — even if it’s Sanders, whose democratic socialism is a significant break from Obama’s technocratic progressivism — will more closely reflect not just his values, but Democrats’ and the nations’, than Trump’s. He often adds that he expects to campaign often and loudly in the general election, even if he has to step in to try and unite liberals, moderates, and progressives beforehand.

 

Good attitude, and I hope he really does continue this. If that really is his attitude toward Sanders or even Warren, then that's actually a good pragmatism I can get behind.

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Also:

 

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Anyway, Obama’s team has made clear to Sanders’ inner circle that the former president has no intention of getting involved in the primary. And people from both camps who are familiar with the discussions say the pair has also spoken directly during this election cycle. Top Sanders advisors accordingly viewed the Fox Business report as a case of rogue former Obama aides speaking wishfully and out of turn, rather than a preview of things to come. (The Democratic establishment backlash will be fierce if Sanders starts running away with the nomination, they’re sure, but it won’t come from the ex-president.)

 

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I haven't watch much of the debates, but I might actually turn this one on to watch everyone go after Bloomberg. I feel like everyone else on stage has pretty good reason to go after him.

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2 hours ago, Massdriver said:

I don't know if it will matter if Bloomberg is beat up. He's proving all you have to do is run commercials to win.

 

Run commercials unopposed and not responding directly from candidates. He's raising his poll numbers in Super Tuesday states, which is having an effect on his national numbers. We'll see how this translates when he faces more resistance from other candidates and when other candidates run ads in those places.

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3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Run commercials unopposed and not responding directly from candidates. He's raising his poll numbers in Super Tuesday states, which is having an effect on his national numbers. We'll see how this translates when he faces more resistance from other candidates and when other candidates run ads in those places.

Also his ads are deceptive. One I heard is basically Obama saying nice things about Mike somehow implying his endorsement

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