rc0101 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yeah Red Sox level of cheating is pretty tame compared to the Astros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Welp, Mookie and Price to LA. I knew it was coming but I’m still sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 At least they're getting rid of the price contract. They aren't getting Lux or May I'd guess, but Ruiz and Verdugo should be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 As fun as 2018 was, Boston really put themselves in a hole to get there. This isn’t going to be a fun season to watch. Especially with NY so jacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Sources tell me the deal is LAD gets: Mookie Betts, David Price, cash from BOS MIN gets: Kenya Maeda BOS gets: Alex Verdugo, Brusdar Graterol Separately, LAD trades Joc Pederson to LAA for Luis Rengifo — Kiley McDaniel (@kileymcd) February 5, 2020 @rc0101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 What a light return. In other news, I have Verdugo in fantasy. Happy to see him get a permanent spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Only giving up Verdugo and Maeda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 He was never going to garner much since he's a one year rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Just now, Ghost_MH said: He was never going to garner much since he's a one year rental. You don’t think LA is gonna try hard to sign him long term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You don’t think LA is gonna try hard to sign him long term? They will I’m sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You don’t think LA is gonna try hard to sign him long term? Of course, but they and everybody else knows he wants to test free agency. His situation hasn't changed much from his perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, rc0101 said: They will I’m sure. They already have quite the expensive payroll, don’t they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Ghost_MH said: Of course, but they and everybody else knows he wants to test free agency. His situation hasn't changed much from his perspective. I just wonder who will ultimately sign him. Not many teams can afford what he’s wanting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: They already have quite the expensive payroll, don’t they? Right at the tax right now but they have no huge long term contracts. Jansen and Turner dropping off. If they want to pay him and stay under the tax they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I just wonder who will ultimately sign him. Not many teams can afford what he’s wanting. That's the question, right? How much does a top-10 position player in their 20s in the MLB get? They definitely earn long term contracts, so Betts should be getting ten years, at a minimum. Betts is also better than a few folks already making $30m/yr. Also, from his perspective, if his current team was willing to give him $30m/yr, there has to be someone else out there willing to do $31m or $32m, or maybe even just $30m but for more than ten years. Once you get to $32m, you're talking Manny Machado money, and that doesn't sound ridiculous. There are a few teams that can afford him, but I also consider the Red Sox were one of them, so who knows. He could also get an offer from any one of the teams that doesn't usually carry much of a salary and is just looking for a player that can sell gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Braves? They got their young guys locked up on cheap contracts, their ownership seems pretty cheap though. Dodgers? Have the money and no large contracts but eventually will have to sign their young guys to big money. Red Sox? Tax has been reset so they can spend again. Mets? Probably depends if the new owner sale goes though, sounds like it fell through. Texans? I’m not sure their salary position but they have the new stadium so might want a top guy to fill it. those are the teams that come to mind. Sure I’m forgetting someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I dont care if he was on a one year deal. That return was light. Yankees got way more for half a season of Chapman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jose said: I dont care if he was on a one year deal. That return was light. Yankees got way more for half a season of Chapman. Teams always get more for pitchers than position players, especially in comparison to outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jose said: I dont care if he was on a one year deal. That return was light. Yankees got way more for half a season of Chapman. Didn’t even have to take on the full Price contract, great trade for the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Teams always get more for pitchers than position players, especially in comparison to outfielders. We are talking about a guy who is a year removed from having the 21st best season EVER by WAR. Insanity. Now if they go on to sign him next year, everything changes. Chaim Bloom is a genius though, so I do have to give him a bit of slack here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 This seems like the correct take on this from the Red Sox POV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 A reliever and an OF that will give you half of Betts' WAR if you're lucky is better than a draft pick, I guess. They must really not like their team's chances of competing the next couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 They’re not going to get that much for what amounts to a one year rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just seems so unbelievably light. Paul Goldschmidt had one year left and he netted a better return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 You don’t get great returns when it is a salary dump trade. Marlins didn’t get much for Stanton. I am sure Boston fans are excited to see their best player shipped off as season ticket prices are raised for the upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 50 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: You don’t get great returns when it is a salary dump trade. Marlins didn’t get much for Stanton. I am sure Boston fans are excited to see their best player shipped off as season ticket prices are raised for the upcoming season. Yeah, Price's contract was definitely a huge factor there, but not sure why that would be such a priority for them. They have always been big spenders and now they care so much about getting under the tax threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Jose said: Yeah, Price's contract was definitely a huge factor there, but not sure why that would be such a priority for them. They have always been big spenders and now they care so much about getting under the tax threshold. Yeah the thought that the Sox had to trade Mookie because they can’t afford him is laughable. A 7 WAR player is worth something like $50-$60 million? Fenway Sports Group is worth $6.6 billion lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Looking at some articles, the Red Sox have only paid on average 1.2 million a year in luxury taxes since the various versions of the system went into effect, but they were likely on their way to 8-10 million a year in tax payments due to their bad habits the last half decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: Looking at some articles, the Red Sox have only paid on average 1.2 million a year in luxury taxes since the various versions of the system went into effect, but they were likely on their way to 8-10 million a year in tax payments due to their bad habits the last half decade. Would surely break them. Owners are the worst 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Yankees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Yankees I actually gasped when I saw that the Yankees have averaged over 15 million in tax per year since the system was initiated. The Red Sox 1.2 million is second to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hard to complain about getting one of the best players in the league for practically nothing other than some billionaire's millions. I like Verdugo but dude already has back problems and that's not a good sign. Yeah the return is light, because there just aren't that many teams you can dump $70+ million in payroll on. Our rotation is still problematic to me, at least in the post season. After Buehler, we're still starting Kershaw and Price behind him, and that's even if Alex Wood is partying like it's 2017 again this year. But that lineup should be best or near best in the NL. The real issue is wtf is going on with that Angels trade where I'm hearing all sorts of things like Ross Stripling is also headed to Anaheim, with all sorts of reports of prospects going in either direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dodger said: Hard to complain about getting one of the best players in the league for practically nothing other than some billionaire's millions. I like Verdugo but dude already has back problems and that's not a good sign. Yeah the return is light, because there just aren't that many teams you can dump $70+ million in payroll on. Our rotation is still problematic to me, at least in the post season. After Buehler, we're still starting Kershaw and Price behind him, and that's even if Alex Wood is partying like it's 2017 again this year. But that lineup should be best or near best in the NL. The real issue is wtf is going on with that Angels trade where I'm hearing all sorts of things like Ross Stripling is also headed to Anaheim, with all sorts of reports of prospects going in either direction. Stripling, Joc and a prospect to Angels for Rengifo and two prospects is the deal I guess. LA must have a ton of confidence in May or Gonsolin stepping up and filling that 5 spot. Also have Urias and Jimmy Nelson who can fill in if Wood struggles. I’m guessing the rotate those guys the first half of the year and then make a deadline trade for a SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Lux and May better be studs because we could have gotten a lot for them in return. I'd rather have Lindor and Clevinger from Cleveland for example than Betts, or we probably could have gotten Arenando for them which is a more pressing need than OF, plus he'd be signed long term instead of being a rental. Betts is going to beat Harper money next year, so not like we're gonna get any kind of discount to bring him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Pederson lost his arb case and will make $7.75 million next year, though supposedly it wasn't much of a factor in the trade in so much as the Betts trade needs to be finalized first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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