Jason Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 The point isn't that the car can't fuck you up, it's that the car isn't designed to outright kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/14/611116451/fatal-pedestrian-crashes-increasingly-involve-suvs-study-finds Quote "Although larger, heavier vehicles provide more protection to their occupants and thus have lower driver death rates per registered vehicle than smaller cars," the insurance report says, "previous research has found that SUVs and other light trucks and vans were associated with increased risks of severely injuring or killing pedestrians in an impact when compared with cars." Per IIHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Jason said: I can still see when someone is walking in front of me, hence why most have never hit someone. Yes, on average a truck will do more damage, that doesn’t make them death machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I know we're talking about giant trucks now.... but yeah, so when he's talking about how Biden wants to destroy the suburbs as we know them, he's talking about black people moving to the suburbs. Wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: I can still see when someone is walking in front of me Now imagine that's a couple of kids in front of you in the crosswalk. Bullshit you'd be able to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: I can still see when someone is walking in front of me, hence why most have never hit someone. Yes, on average a truck will do more damage, that doesn’t make them death machines. Most people don't get in accidents, period. But when they do you have to consider the consequences of the design of the vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Trucks should require additional driving certifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Jason said: Now imagine that's a couple of kids in front of you in the crosswalk. Bullshit you'd be able to see them. Okay first of all I agree with you guys in general about the anti-car sentiment and I don't really like this trend of trucks getting bigger and bigger either. THAT BEING SAID... it's pretty obvious some of you guys have never driven a pickup truck before. You're acting like the average truck driver is completely blind, incapable of any level of situational awareness and is driving over pedestrians left and right. Even in the case of that monster truck above (that thing absolutely has an aftermarket lift kit), while you wouldn't be able to see a kid that was literally a foot in front, you would see them before they walked in front of the truck and after, and under most circumstances you WOULD see them in front of your truck because they're not going to be literally one foot away from you. 1 hour ago, SlipperySlope said: Trucks should require additional driving certifications. If someone can: A) be licensed to drive a passenger vehicle AND B) be so unaware of what's going on around them that they would be likely to drive over someone directly in front of them, that speaks to a major problem in the licensing system itself that will not be solved by simply saying "pickup trucks need additional licensing." I am not okay with that person driving a Corolla. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, SilentWorld said: Okay first of all I agree with you guys in general about the anti-car sentiment and I don't really like this trend of trucks getting bigger and bigger either. THAT BEING SAID... it's pretty obvious some of you guys have never driven a pickup truck before. You're acting like the average truck driver is completely blind, incapable of any level of situational awareness and is driving over pedestrians left and right. Even in the case of that monster truck above (that thing absolutely has an aftermarket lift kit), while you wouldn't be able to see a kid that was literally a foot in front, you would see them before they walked in front of the truck and after, and under most circumstances you WOULD see them in front of your truck because they're not going to be literally one foot away from you. If someone can: A) be licensed to drive a passenger vehicle AND B) be so unaware of what's going on around them that they would be likely to drive over someone directly in front of them, that speaks to a major problem in the licensing system itself that will not be solved by simply saying "pickup trucks need additional licensing." I am not okay with that person driving a Corolla. Imagine that you're stopped at a stoplight, check ing your phone (as so many people do) get honked at for not going after the light turns green, you gas it to only hit someone right in front of you. Not out of the realm of possibility! It doesn't have to be a cell phone so don't get hung up on that point, it could be the radio or talking to a passenger. People aren't perfect and that's why we should engineer safety for, well, everything where humans have control. I've driven dozens of types of cars when I used to travel for work, hell I owned a truck for about ten years, and I can tell you that trucks have great sightlines, they're not perfect and do have blind spots, and those can be very dangerous to pedestrians. This isn't controversial! And the research backs this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Imagine that you're stopped at a stoplight, check ing your phone (as so many people do) get honked at for not going after the light turns green, you gas it to only hit someone right in front of you. Not out of the realm of possibility! It doesn't have to be a cell phone so don't get hung up on that point, it could be the radio or talking to a passenger. People aren't perfect and that's why we should engineer safety for, well, everything where humans have control. I've driven dozens of types of cars when I used to travel for work, hell I owned a truck for about ten years, and I can tell you that trucks have great sightlines, they're not perfect and do have blind spots, and those can be very dangerous to pedestrians. This isn't controversial! And the research backs this up. And we're living in an age where all sorts of safety features being engineered into cars that wouldn't be necessary if drivers were perfectly attentive, e.g. forward collision detection that will hit the brakes for you. So how exactly is it mindless car hating to suggest that the shape of the car itself matters too in helping reduce the impact of inattentive drivers, as they've long acknowledged and acted upon in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 As for pickup-on-car rear end collisions, look at how the pickup barely even looks damaged here, compared to how fucked up the sedan is: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jason said: And we're living in an age where all sorts of safety features being engineered into cars that wouldn't be necessary if drivers were perfectly attentive, e.g. forward collision detection that will hit the brakes for you. So how exactly is it mindless car hating to suggest that the shape of the car itself matters too in helping reduce the impact of inattentive drivers, as they've long acknowledged and acted upon in Europe? Car culture in this country is almost as dumb as gun culture. We love our personalities being defined by the things we buy, don't we folks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I haven't gone back far enough to see how trucks got into this thread, but I don't think I'll ever buy another car again. But I've never felt the need for a huge truck. Sure, the new GMCs look really nice, but I don't have a practical need for one. My midsized Colorado does everything I need to do. Same as my Frontier before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 White House portraits of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush moved from prominent space to rarely used room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: White House portraits of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush moved from prominent space to rarely used room To have such pictures displayed would promote the ridiculous idea that there has been other presidents. As any right minded citizen knows, Donald Trump has always been president. Ever since he became a hero crossing the Delaware during the American Revolution and defeated the British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 One of the portraits they put up is McKinkey’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: One of the portraits they put up is McKinkey’s. Honestly surprised it wasn't Coolidge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 McKinley was kinky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Chairslinger said: To have such pictures displayed would promote the ridiculous idea that there has been other presidents. As any right minded citizen knows, Donald Trump has always been president. Ever since he became a hero crossing the Delaware during the American Revolution and defeated the British. The best part of that painting is how many people aren’t there anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Imagine that you're stopped at a stoplight, check ing your phone (as so many people do) get honked at for not going after the light turns green, you gas it to only hit someone right in front of you. Not out of the realm of possibility! It doesn't have to be a cell phone so don't get hung up on that point, it could be the radio or talking to a passenger. People aren't perfect and that's why we should engineer safety for, well, everything where humans have control. I've driven dozens of types of cars when I used to travel for work, hell I owned a truck for about ten years, and I can tell you that trucks have great sightlines, they're not perfect and do have blind spots, and those can be very dangerous to pedestrians. This isn't controversial! And the research backs this up. I agree that trucks should be engineered better. I just disagree that they should require a separate license. I also disagree that these blind spots themselves are some huge pedestrian killer. The research you linked to backs up that trucks are more likely to severely injure or kill a pedestrian when a collision occurs. It does not say in any way that the blind spots themselves cause collisions with pedestrians. Your link also said that the typical pedestrian fatality occurs mid block, on an arterial street, in the dark. Not the kind of scenario that being able to see exactly 1 foot in front of the bumper would prevent. 3 hours ago, Jason said: As for pickup-on-car rear end collisions, look at how the pickup barely even looks damaged here, compared to how fucked up the sedan is: This is a far more reasonable criticism, IMO. To add some context to that picture, that's a Toyota Tacoma (so not even a full-size truck) and it doesn't look lifted to me. The picture would be worse if it was a full size truck and far worse if it was a full size truck with a lift kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 9 hours ago, SilentWorld said: If someone can: A) be licensed to drive a passenger vehicle AND B) be so unaware of what's going on around them that they would be likely to drive over someone directly in front of them, that speaks to a major problem in the licensing system itself that will not be solved by simply saying "pickup trucks need additional licensing." I am not okay with that person driving a Corolla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 10:36 PM, SilentWorld said: It does not say in any way that the blind spots themselves cause collisions with pedestrians How could having a giant blind spot in front of the vehicle not result in collisions with pedestrians? 13 Investigates: Millions of vehicles have unexpected, dangerous front blind zone It's worth reading the whole article but this graphic is the key point: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Honestly I was more talking about the full size truck with the crazy ass lift kits that you can park a Mini under. So many people in my town claim that they are going to take them off-roading someday. Only to never do that, but that is the reason they spent oodles of money in after-market BS. My wife has done more off-roading in her Jeep Renegade than they have in their trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 So I guess you might say that Trump's latest campaign ad made Linkin Park crawl in their skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Jason said: So I guess you might say that Trump's latest campaign ad made Linkin Park crawl in their skin. Did they use one of their songs? I didn't see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Full size pick ups have gotten ridiculous, the hoods are like at shoulder height now for me and i'm 6'1", they're using lighter materials but adding more so that they look bigger and tougher when in reality they're more fragile than they've ever been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Man the Wallace interview is CRAZY, the little bit they shared a few days ago with him falling apart after Wallace corrected him about Biden not supporting defunding the police was just the tip. Like every update on it is just bonkers, and its being aired on Fox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I've always been a Chris Wallace fan. He definitely leans right, but he's about as fair as Fox News gets. He's straight up trolling Trump in this interview, though. What a world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Trump will pressure Fox to fire Wallace, in 3... 2... 1.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I agree Trucks drive like a regular car like someone posted earlier, that's sort of part of the problem, you have this massive machine that can roll over a ton of shit and people are flooring it like they are too fast too furious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, Reputator said: Trump will pressure Fox to fire Wallace, in 3... 2... 1.... You joke, but that’s exactly what happened to Shep Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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