Jason Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: That's almost irrelevant with GOP-dominated gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts in full swing. And overturning state election results could come down to just "oh well we're not SURE what happened, so the state legislature can just give all the EVs to Trump". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jason said: And overturning state election results could come down to just "oh well we're not SURE what happened, so the state legislature can just give all the EVs to Trump". With many of them stripping powers from the Secretaries of State when it comes to certification, this becomes a very real scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jason said: And overturning state election results could come down to just "oh well we're not SURE what happened, so the state legislature can just give all the EVs to Trump". Hey now. I remember us talking about this possibility last year, but it was called impossible. What, aside from forcing out all the Republican that refused to bend the knee and looking to replace them with sycophants that openly admit it's the only reason they want these positions, makes you think this may actually happen the next time around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, Ghost_MH said: Hey now. I remember us talking about this possibility last year, but it was called impossible. What, aside from forcing out all the Republican that refused to bend the knee and looking to replace them with sycophants that openly admit it's the only reason they want these positions, makes you think this may actually happen the next time around? 9 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: With many of them stripping powers from the Secretaries of State when it comes to certification, this becomes a very real scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 16 hours ago, Chris- said: In what ways has he increased his supporter base since 2020? Or even 2016? I douvt its shrunk that much, and Biden definitely won't have the support he had last time. I'd love it if you were right, but I don't think so. I think the gop go all in on him again, and the base eats it up. And I bet his slogan is some shit like, "Righting the wrongs!" Then there is all the stuff SFLUfan brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I'd still be shocked if Biden ran for reelection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: "or critics" just fucking desperate for that both-sidesing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: And yet they'll still vote for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Ttump actually losing the primary would be best case for dems, because you know he'd run 3rd party and siphon millions of votes off of the GoP. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 23 hours ago, PaladinSolo said: If it's a packed field like it was in 2016 then he still gets the nom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 On 10/8/2021 at 4:09 PM, marioandsonic said: 2016 votes for Trump: 62,984,828 2020 votes for Trump: 74,216,154 Well, it hasn't decreased. Votes are only a proxy for support though; the majority of registered voters do not view him favorably, and it is unlikely that will ever change. While he might get more voters to the polls, he's never going to convert new ones. On 10/8/2021 at 4:11 PM, Commissar SFLUFAN said: That's almost irrelevant with GOP-dominated gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts in full swing. And, of course, there's the all-out GOP assault on democracy itself as @Jason posted in the Putsch thread: The Democracy Crisis: Could This Be Joe Biden’s Big Mistake? – Mother Jones WWW.MOTHERJONES.COM If the president doesn’t beat back this Trump-GOP attack, little else will matter. The reality is that there are enough "undemocratic" factors in play to make Trump "winning" a very real probability. Democrats have made good strides against gerrymandering and voter suppression; they will always have to fight it, but if having both Senate seats in Georgia is any indication, they are presently doing a good job. On 10/8/2021 at 4:15 PM, Jason said: And overturning state election results could come down to just "oh well we're not SURE what happened, so the state legislature can just give all the EVs to Trump". I simply do not see how that happens without the United States dissolving as a political entity, and at that point it doesn't really matter who 'won'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Basically the stars have to align for him to legitimately win, and an illegitimate win will basically invalidate the game altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chris- said: Basically the stars have to align for him to legitimately win, and an illegitimate win will basically invalidate the game altogether. The 2000 election was blatantly stolen and everyone just shrugged their shoulders and moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jason said: The 2000 election was blatantly stolen and everyone just shrugged their shoulders and moved on. If you think that was blatant theft, then think about how much of what you are proposing is escalation. What do you think California does when Arizona's actions subject it to illegitimate federal rule? Do you think in the face of overruling the popular vote in certain states that there *wouldn't* be mass acts of unrest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Also: a lot has changed since 2000! Twenty years can make a pretty big difference in a population’s receptiveness to bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 For once, Maher is worth listening to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: For once, Maher is worth listening to: Semi related, but I absolutely hate the disdain he constantly shows for his own audience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Joe said: Semi related, but I absolutely hate the disdain he constantly shows for his own audience. I mean his audience is LA-area faux-libs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jason said: I mean his audience is LA-area faux-libs. I would argue they are the real libs the ones who know what the party is. Progressives are the ones fooling themselves into believing the democrats will come around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 Trump had to be blocked from appointing Ivanka to head up the World Bank: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism WWW.RAWSTORY.COM According to a report from the Intercept's Ryan Grim and Max Ufberg, former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was forced to intercede when Donald Trump proposed appointing his daughter Ivanka to head up the World Bank.The report notes that when the opening came about in January of 2019, Trump saw it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jason said: I mean his audience is LA-area faux-libs. So? It’s his audience. Maybe it says something about him that that is who he attracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Chris- said: Votes are only a proxy for support though; the majority of registered voters do not view him favorably, and it is unlikely that will ever change. While he might get more voters to the polls, he's never going to convert new ones. Democrats have made good strides against gerrymandering and voter suppression; they will always have to fight it, but if having both Senate seats in Georgia is any indication, they are presently doing a good job. I simply do not see how that happens without the United States dissolving as a political entity, and at that point it doesn't really matter who 'won'. Re: votes Clinton: 65,853,514 Biden: 81,268,924 To back up your point, we made it significantly easier to vote in light of the pandemic and thus more people voted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Jason said: Trump had to be blocked from appointing Ivanka to head up the World Bank: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism WWW.RAWSTORY.COM According to a report from the Intercept's Ryan Grim and Max Ufberg, former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was forced to intercede when Donald Trump proposed appointing his daughter Ivanka to head up the World Bank.The report notes that when the opening came... Man we really lucked out with mnuchin. Easily the only character in the Trump orbit who wasn't complete dog shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Re: votes Clinton: 65,853,514 Biden: 81,268,924 To back up your point, we made it significantly easier to vote in light of the pandemic and thus more people voted! It's a good thing that the GOP isn't passing multiple voter suppression laws in numerous states across the country then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 21 hours ago, Chris- said: Also: a lot has changed since 2000! Twenty years can make a pretty big difference in a population’s receptiveness to bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 If you are going to quote my post at least address the actual point in the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Yeah, he’s slurring like a drunk in that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 He truly lives in a consequence free bubble and the media just lets him get away with it. Every reporter who normalizes stuff like this, every republican official who pretends this sort of crap is normal, every piece of shit who voted for him... fuck all those people. A man as transparently morally bankrupt as Donald Trump should not be able to rise to power. It still boggles my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, ort said: He truly lives in a consequence free bubble and the media just lets him get away with it. Every reporter who normalizes stuff like this, every republican official who pretends this sort of crap is normal, every piece of shit who voted for him... fuck all those people. A man as transparently morally bankrupt as Donald Trump should not be able to rise to power. It still boggles my mind. He likely never rises to power if we had an election system that made sense, but Murica'™. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, ort said: He truly lives in a consequence free bubble and the media just lets him get away with it. Every reporter who normalizes stuff like this, every republican official who pretends this sort of crap is normal, every piece of shit who voted for him... fuck all those people. A man as transparently morally bankrupt as Donald Trump should not be able to rise to power. It still boggles my mind. That’s the part that bugs me, the media got rightfully taken to task for constantly giving him free coverage for all his shenanigans which definitely helped him win the election. Now, they’re afraid to give him any type of coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 16 hours ago, MarSolo said: That’s the part that bugs me, the media got rightfully taken to task for constantly giving him free coverage for all his shenanigans which definitely helped him win the election. Now, they’re afraid to give him any type of coverage. Afraid? Theres just nothing to cover. There's nothing the media woulld love more than for trump to be newsworthy again. Ratings are gone to shit, and thats all they care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, BloodyHell said: Afraid? Theres just nothing to cover. There's nothing the media woulld love more than for trump to be newsworthy again. Ratings are gone to shit, and thats all they care about. I think the former President speaking out in defense of a woman who tried to breach the Capitol to hang the Vice President to be a pretty newsworthy thing to cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, MarSolo said: I think the former President speaking out in defense of a woman who tried to breach the Capitol to hang the Vice President to be a pretty newsworthy thing to cover. Not really, not in 2021. He has no power, theres no campaigns being run right now. They can't wait for him to run again. It's why they've been talking about it since he left the Whitehouse. Mainstream news needs sensationalism. They can't wait to sell the threat of Trump chasing power for a second time! When primaries heat up, it's going to be all trump all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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