MarSolo Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 5 hours ago, BloodyHell said: The whole thing was the disgusting exploitation of an old man already suffering from TBI. And that’s just the guy that was supposed to be commentating the fight! 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 22 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: I genuinely think these people are beyond caring. His team gassed a bunch of people for the stupidest bible photo op and none of them cared. Short of Trump converting to Islam they're not going anywhere. My guess is Islam would become very popular with those folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: My guess is Islam would become very popular with those folks. You would be guessing wrong, but they would say that some things that some Muslims (Taliban et al) do are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: You would be guessing wrong, but they would say that some things that some Muslims (Taliban et al) do are good After seeing them line up behind Mr. Two Corinthians, I would fully expect converts. There's nothing they could do that would surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: After seeing them line up behind Mr. Two Corinthians, I would fully expect converts. There's nothing they could do that would surprise me. The response to his suggestion of merely getting vaccinated shows there is a limit to their depravity in the name of trump. If he were the cause of the republican party craziness out might work but seeing as he is a symptom that tells me there is a self sustaining ecosystem for this Christian fascist pablum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The response to his suggestion of merely getting vaccinated shows there is a limit to their depravity in the name of trump. If he were the cause of the republican party craziness out might work but seeing as he is a symptom that tells me there is a self sustaining ecosystem for this Christian fascist pablum We really can't know how this hypothetical plays out, but you make good points. Can't argue that this doesn't make sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 So one coup to save us from another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So one coup to save us from another one Yup very reassuring that the military engaged in a soft coup to keep Trump from launching the nukes. Also, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I’m not saying it isn’t shitty, but expecting Bob Woodward to pull the fire alarm on stuff like this is bananas, especially when (I believe, could be remembering this wrong) there was some actual reporting that suggested things like this were happening in real time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jason said: Yup very reassuring that the military engaged in a soft coup to keep Trump from launching the nukes. Also, Miley should be fired. What he did was good but he should still be fired for it. We're not Turkey ffs (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 "If we're going to attack I'll tell you first" is some dishonorable discharge shit right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: "If we're going to attack I'll tell you first" is some dishonorable discharge shit right there. I agree. But it was still the right thing for him to do. Miley should fall on the sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I know it won’t work this way, but in a more perfect world we’d realize that electing a lunatic to be the head of a military force armed with nuclear weapons is an enormous liability and we’d actively be working on reducing our arsenal and capabilities to a tiny fraction of what they are now. Alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I'm skeptical because I feel like he's smart enough to know if he did it, he'd need to resign on January 20th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Thread for thought: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Thread for thought: All of this is very very bad, but the status quo being that we're a phone call away from one man issuing a nuclear strike is more bananas and nobody can convince me otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: All of this is very very bad, but the status quo being that we're a phone call away from one man issuing a nuclear strike is more bananas and nobody can convince me otherwise. All General and Flag Officers are Senate Confirmed. During confirmation one of the quick routine questions is along the lines of "Under oath do swear to give the Congress your unbiased professional military opinion?" My question, if the President of the United States is nuts, does a General Officer have an obligation to inform the Congress given that sworn statement? You're not going to change the nuclear command structure. Deterrence requires it be quick and difficult to decapitate. What needs to change is our political institutions willingness to use it's authority. Milley can't get in a room with McConnel and Schumer during the impeachment to inform them the President is dangerous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: All General and Flag Officers are Senate Confirmed. During confirmation one of the quick routine questions is along the lines of "Under oath do swear to give the Congress your unbiased professional military opinion?" My question, if the President of the United States is nuts, does a General Officer have an obligation to inform the Congress given that sworn statement? You're not going to change the nuclear command structure. Deterrence requires it be quick and difficult to decapitate. What needs to change is our political institutions willingness to use it's authority. Milley can't get in a room with McConnel and Schumer during the impeachment to inform them the President is dangerous? Without fear that McConnell just tells Trump about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jason said: Without fear that McConnell just tells Trump about it? The minute that the CJCS or any other 4-Star tells anyone in Congress that the President cannot be trusted, they will fired, and replaced with an officer who has full confidence in the President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jason said: Without fear that McConnell just tells Trump about it? 5 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: The minute that the CJCS or any other 4-Star tells anyone in Congress that the President cannot be trusted, they will fired, and replaced with an officer who has full confidence in the President. As they should, but it should set off political alarm bells that the house is on fire and the political institutions should deal with it. If it doesn't, that's on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: Thread for thought: Things like this back up my thought that there is no solution that will actually work to contain the power of the presidency, especially as CiC, other than cutting the budget of the security state to absolute ribbons; NSA, CIA, DOD, Homeland, and sparing only some parts of the FBI under a more limited jurisdiction to ensure civil rights are protected from state governments, along with cross border environmental, financial, labor, violent crime, and basically the ATF enforcement. Dismember all of the bullshit anti-terrorism laws that have gutted our civil rights and privacy. I have other ideas to reform the presidency but these are the easiest ones (lol) but that even modest reforms such as the congress reclaiming it's constitutionally premier authority over the courts and president seem to be a bridge too far I'm not optimistic on things actually getting fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: As they should, but it should set off political alarm bells that the house is on fire and the political institutions should deal with it. If it doesn't, that's on us. Your real question is still why did Milley apparently not feel comfortable going to Congress about this, especially while McConnell was still in charge of the Senate, and the answer to that seems pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 Trump Calls Allies to Demand Gen. Mark Milley Be ‘Arrested’ for ‘Treason’ WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM The former president hit the phones, and then went on Sean Spicer's Newsmax show to make the case himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Getting really tired of chuds and libruls calling everything they don't like, treason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Trump Calls Allies to Demand Gen. Mark Milley Be ‘Arrested’ for ‘Treason’ WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM The former president hit the phones, and then went on Sean Spicer's Newsmax show to make the case himself. Nice of him to confirm this story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 I mean they're not half wrong this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Jwheel86 said: All General and Flag Officers are Senate Confirmed. During confirmation one of the quick routine questions is along the lines of "Under oath do swear to give the Congress your unbiased professional military opinion?" My question, if the President of the United States is nuts, does a General Officer have an obligation to inform the Congress given that sworn statement? You're not going to change the nuclear command structure. Deterrence requires it be quick and difficult to decapitate. What needs to change is our political institutions willingness to use it's authority. Milley can't get in a room with McConnel and Schumer during the impeachment to inform them the President is dangerous? Well, there’s the 25th Amendment if the prez is truly nuts, but you’re assuming we still have the political capacity to not abuse these checks and balances, when… We don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kal-El814 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 12 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Things like this back up my thought that there is no solution that will actually work to contain the power of the presidency, especially as CiC, other than cutting the budget of the security state to absolute ribbons; NSA, CIA, DOD, Homeland, and sparing only some parts of the FBI under a more limited jurisdiction to ensure civil rights are protected from state governments, along with cross border environmental, financial, labor, violent crime, and basically the ATF enforcement. Dismember all of the bullshit anti-terrorism laws that have gutted our civil rights and privacy. I have other ideas to reform the presidency but these are the easiest ones (lol) but that even modest reforms such as the congress reclaiming it's constitutionally premier authority over the courts and president seem to be a bridge too far I'm not optimistic on things actually getting fixed Dismantling the surveillance state and repealing the second amendment would save a tremendous amount of American lives, so naturally these will not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: Dismantling the surveillance state and repealing the second amendment would save a tremendous amount of American lives, so naturally these will not happen. This country is such a death cult there's dozens of things we could do to save tens of thousands of lives every year and we simply won't because someone either has to make a buck or it makes things marginally more convenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 23 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So one coup to save us from another one Why aren’t we laughing more at “I don’t want to be your friend anymore.”? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: Why aren’t we laughing more at “I don’t want to be your friend anymore.”? I imagine Trump sounded like this to Pence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 The idea that the Joint Chiefs of Staff was so alarmed that the President of the United States was making wild, baseless and completely false claims about election fraud and starting riots and doing all sorts of who-knows-what off-the-rails stuff like allegedly asking for military takeovers and was then forced to make calls to other powerful nations to calm them down about it because they were also freaking out isn't quite the political slam dunk the right thinks it is. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 So that PPV with Trump’s dementia ranting? Total bomb: For reference, last week’s AEW PPV did around 200,000 buys. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: So that PPV with Trump’s dementia ranting? Total bomb: For reference, last week’s AEW PPV did around 200,000 buys. Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end of these freak matchups and we can get back to real Boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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