~*The Official Thread of One Term/Twice Impeached/Worst of Them All Presidential Tantrums, Candy Throwing, and Pants Shitting*~

[Chollowa]

10 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

So to those more in tune with this shit possibly than I am...and not sure if this is the thread for it:

 

I just got a pretty close to insane string of rant-y messages from a family member I can't, and won't, just blow off with a 'fuck you you're crazy' going off begging me to buy rations for two weeks because there's a 'blackout, complete lockdown and martial law' coming and Trump is uncovering all the things he found during his four years. And also, "DO NOT LET THEM GIVE YOU THE VACCINE". 

 

I'm legitimately concerned for their mental well being and also kind of rattled by self-serious nature of this outburst and before I engage I'm kind of curious if anyone in here more 'versed' on crazy right-wing websites or whatever shit it may be knows what the fuck they may be talking about? Is there some fresh, hot and new idiotic conspiracy of total Liberal martial law going on for this week or...is this like an every day thing for these people? I know this may be a dumb question but some posters on here are probably the most politically knowledgeable folks I can ask. 

 

All of these conspiracy theories really just run together at this point. But they're probably alluding to what Q-Anon followers call "The Storm" that's when things go silent for 2 weeks, institutes martial law and the baddies (Dems, Hollywood Libs, and now RINOs, basically people that don't like Trump) are all rounded up, put before military tribunals and then executed. At first the alleged crimes were about child sex trafficking and Adrenochrome harvesting, now they include "election rigging" and Treason. The vaccine stuff is just an offshoot of that craziness. 

 

 

[Bloodporne]

Just now, Chollowa said:

 

All of these conspiracy theories really just run together at this point. But they're probably alluding to what Q-Anon followers call "The Storm" that's when things go silent for 2 weeks, institutes martial law and the baddies (Dems, Hollywood Libs, and now RINOs, basically people that don't like Trump) are all rounded up, put before military tribunals and then executed. At first the alleged crimes were about child sex trafficking and Adrenochrome harvesting, now they include "election rigging" and Treason. The vaccine stuff is just an offshoot of that craziness. 

I'll be honest, I've only seen Q-Anon etc. referenced here and don't know anything about any of this crazy shit intimately. It's liking having to research someone's mental disorder to see if there's a treatment, that's how I feel right now. Supremely, supremely weird. 

[5timechamp]

Maybe the google outtage and Security hacks are all parts of the Soviet plan to plant evidence and give Trump a reason to declare Martial Law?  Is that Q-Annon enough?

[Ghost_MH]

1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

I'll be honest, I've only seen Q-Anon etc. referenced here and don't know anything about any of this crazy shit intimately. It's liking having to research someone's mental disorder to see if there's a treatment, that's how I feel right now. Supremely, supremely weird. 

 

That's because the idea has gone mainstream even if the conspiracy is based on pure crazy.

 

 

 

Those are RightRingWatch's two latest tweets. I don't even have to dig around to find this stuff.

 

I told me wife we need to stock up...though that's only because we might be getting a blizzard later this week, so not at all related.

 

EDIT: I should also note, this isn't new. Back in 2016 there was this right-wing belief that Obama was going to declare martial law, cancel the election, and declare himself president for four more years. That, obviously, never happened because "God stopped him at the just minute". For those same people, if Obama had that power, certainly Trump does as well. That doesn't even delve into whether the crazy they're talking about is even a thing a president can do. If Trump doesn't have that power then that means their little conspiracy from 2016 was stupid and that can't possibly be the case.

 

If that makes your head spin, welcome to what is like being a sane Christian in the 2010s.

[Bloodporne]

5 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

That's because the idea had gone mainstream even if the conspiracy is based on pure crazy.

 

 

 

Those are RightRingWatch's two latest tweets. I don't even have to dig around to find this stuff.

 

I told me wife we need to stock up...though that's only because we might be getting a blizzard later this week, so not at all related.

 

EDIT: I should also now, this isn't new. Back in 2016 there was this right-wing belief that Obama was going to declare martial law, cancel the election, and declare himself president for four more years. That, obviously, never happened because "God stopped him at the just minute". For those same people, of Obama's had that power, certainly Trump does as well. That doesn't even delve into whether the crazy they're talking about is even a thing a president can do. If Trump doesn't have that power then that means their little conspiracy from 2016 was stupid and that can't possibly be the case.

 

If that makes your head spin, welcome to what is like being a sane Christian in the 2010s.

I appreciate you guys' input. I mean, I'm aware of some of this and quite frankly mainly only because of D1P political threads but especially that first tweet pretty much answers my question so thank you. 

 

And yeah, I was planning to stock up tonight because of a blizzard possibly hitting New York on Wednesday into Thursday as well when I suddenly got this bag of shit texted to me. That confused me even more and I thought now blizzards are fucking Liberal agendas. 

[SuperSpreader]

1 minute ago, Bloodporne said:

I appreciate you guys' input. I mean, I'm aware of some of this and quite frankly mainly only because of D1P political threads but especially that first tweet pretty much answers my question so thank you. 

 

And yeah, I was planning to stock up tonight because of a blizzard possibly hitting New York on Wednesday into Thursday as well when I suddenly got this bag of shit texted to me. That confused me even more and I thought now blizzards are fucking Liberal agendas. 

These people live in a fantasy mad max world, best to cut them from your life. ✂️

[TwinIon]

10 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I'll be honest, I've only seen Q-Anon etc. referenced here and don't know anything about any of this crazy shit intimately. It's liking having to research someone's mental disorder to see if there's a treatment, that's how I feel right now. Supremely, supremely weird. 

Q is one of the more difficult things to learn about for a variety of reasons, but I think one key to the whole mess is that Q is purposefully vague and interpreting Q's drops is a key tenant of faith. That both gives rise to the insane theories and simultaneously explains away "any" failed predictions. When Q gestures towards something crazy happening, people come up with all kinds of conclusions as to what that thing will be, when it will happen, etc. When that thing doesn't happen, it's because either it happened secretly (Tom Hanks was executed and replaced with a body double! Yes, that's a real belief) or it's because Q's followers misinterpreted his message all along. Q wasn't wrong, Trump didn't lose, it's all part of the plan, we just misread the tea-leaves.

 

That also means that there's no single canonical version of the Q cult. Different sects have their own theories and they're all constantly evolving independently. One pocket of YouTube/Parler/8chan/Facebook/etc. might believe that the Storm will be hidden from view, a silent coup we peasants are unable to verify (like Hanks' execution and body double or literal lizard people being excised from society). Another pocket might be gearing up for open civil war, while a third expects martial law to be imposed for a few weeks.

 

All this makes it particularly insidious and also impossible to really argue with. Nothing can be proved wrong, nothing can be validated, and without deep access to exactly what media any follower is ingesting, it's practically impossible to even know what it is they believe. 

 

There's a subreddit dedicated to people sharing stories and advice of loved ones lost to Q. While finding that link it seems that one of the top posts at this moment is likewise about someone expecting a lockdown to be coming.

 

Good luck in dealing with it.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 hour ago, osxmatt said:

I'm not seeing this anywhere else, yet..

 

 

womp womp

 

[Bloodporne]

1 minute ago, TwinIon said:

Q is one of the more difficult things to learn about for a variety of reasons, but I think one key to the whole mess is that Q is purposefully vague and interpreting Q's drops is a key tenant of faith. That both gives rise to the insane theories and simultaneously explains away "any" failed predictions. When Q gestures towards something crazy happening, people come up with all kinds of conclusions as to what that thing will be, when it will happen, etc. When that thing doesn't happen, it's because either it happened secretly (Tom Hanks was executed and replaced with a body double! Yes, that's a real belief) or it's because Q's followers misinterpreted his message all along. Q wasn't wrong, Trump didn't lose, it's all part of the plan, we just misread the tea-leaves.

 

That also means that there's no single canonical version of the Q cult. Different sects have their own theories and they're all constantly evolving independently. One pocket of YouTube/Parler/8chan/Facebook/etc. might believe that the Storm will be hidden from view, a silent coup we peasants are unable to verify (like Hanks' execution and body double or literal lizard people being excised from society). Another pocket might be gearing up for open civil war, while a third expects martial law to be imposed for a few weeks.

 

All this makes it particularly insidious and also impossible to really argue with. Nothing can be proved wrong, nothing can be validated, and without deep access to exactly what media any follower is ingesting, it's practically impossible to even know what it is they believe. 

 

There's a subreddit dedicated to people sharing stories and advice of loved ones lost to Q. While finding that link it seems that one of the top posts at this moment is likewise about someone expecting a lockdown to be coming.

 

Good luck in dealing with it.

Yeah I feel weird enough asking this in here and I'm definitely not a hyper-sensitive drama monger in personal life so I never engage with this kind of thing. The tone of it all just kind of rattled and scared me, for her that is, a little and I never had that gut reaction before. I've usually just blown off the right-wing drivel with one-sentence 'Well, you know, think what you want, I don't agree' kind of responses and so on. This shit is C.R.A.Z.Y....starting to read into it right now. 

 

11 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

These people live in a fantasy mad max world, best to cut them from your life. ✂️

It's not an option. I literally have TWO family members in this country. 

[Fizzzzle]

I think there's a big tell in that, on the left, we fully admit that our politicians are dirty. Joe Biden is a corporate shill, and Hillary Clinton was worse. We admit (at least some of us, god forbid you get Stephen Colbert to get his nose out of Obama's asshole long enough to breathe) that our politicians are shit.

 

Meanwhile, you get people who stand behind someone who has repeatedly lied, manipulated, stole, grifted, sued, and assaulted his way to the top, and his followers act like he's a fucking paragon of justice.

 

edit: Oh, and a lot of those same people called him a lying, manipulating, grifting asshole as recently as 4 years ago.

[cusideabelincoln]

1 hour ago, Bloodporne said:

Yeah I feel weird enough asking this in here and I'm definitely not a hyper-sensitive drama monger in personal life so I never engage with this kind of thing. The tone of it all just kind of rattled and scared me, for her that is, a little and I never had that gut reaction before. I've usually just blown off the right-wing drivel with one-sentence 'Well, you know, think what you want, I don't agree' kind of responses and so on. This shit is C.R.A.Z.Y....starting to read into it right now. 

 

It's not an option. I literally have TWO family members in this country. 

 

I'm pretty sure most of my family, particularly the older ones, are on their path to this.  They aren't full-blown Q, but they could be easily pushed there.  Luckily I hardly know any of these people so I won't have to interact with them.

[CitizenVectron]

So... Neighbour in Florida threaten to sue if Trump moves in...and they have the legal grounds to do so.

 

Trump's would-be neighbors fight to keep him from living at Mar-a-Lago - The Washington Post

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The feud over whether Trump has the right to live at his Palm Beach club reaches a boiling point.

 

Lmao

 

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That message was formally delivered Tuesday morning in a demand letter delivered to the town of Palm Beach and also addressed to the U.S. Secret Service asserting that Trump lost his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago because of an agreement he signed in the early 1990s when he converted the storied estate from his private residence to a private club.

 

So he can live there, but he'd have to close down the club and resort.

 

[BloodyHell]

13 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

So... Neighbour in Florida threaten to sue if Trump moves in...and they have the legal grounds to do so.

 

Trump's would-be neighbors fight to keep him from living at Mar-a-Lago - The Washington Post

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The feud over whether Trump has the right to live at his Palm Beach club reaches a boiling point.

 

Lmao

 

 

So he can live there, but he'd have to close down the club and resort.

 

They won’t win that. Not in Florida. 

[BloodyHell]

In fact, im betting homeowners in the area start getting death threats within 24 hours. How dare you challenge the donald!

[SimpleG]

2 hours ago, BloodyHell said:

They won’t win that. Not in Florida. 

The Donald or the neighborhood? 

[BloodyHell]

3 minutes ago, SimpleG said:

The Donald or the neighborhood? 

The neighborhood won’t win.

[SimpleG]

24 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

The neighborhood won’t win.

Well that’s disappointing 

[Jason]

 

[osxmatt]

 

[Reputator]

What I read of the 1619 project doesn't sound particularly well vetted either.

[Joe]

Just now, Reputator said:

What I read of the 1619 project doesn't sound particularly well vetted either.

 

Such as?

[Reputator]

6 minutes ago, Joe said:

 

Such as?

As Top Historians Ring Alarm Bells About NYT’s 1619 Project, Defiant Public Schools Refuse To Answer Questions | The Daily Caller

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The Daily Caller talked to critics of the 1619 Project about their concerns and asked schools why they have added the controversial work to their curriculum.

 

 

[Jason]

42 minutes ago, Reputator said:

As Top Historians Ring Alarm Bells About NYT’s 1619 Project, Defiant Public Schools Refuse To Answer Questions | The Daily Caller

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The Daily Caller talked to critics of the 1619 Project about their concerns and asked schools why they have added the controversial work to their curriculum.

 

 

 

bruh did you seriously just unironically post a Daily Cucker article

[Reputator]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

bruh did you seriously just unironically post a Daily Cucker article

 

If you're too lazy to dispute the points then why bother responding?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

We can safely discount criticisms of the 1619 Project from the likes of the Daily Caller.

 

We cannot similarly handwave away the reservations of the project from historians like James McPherson who has tirelessly worked to dispel the "Lost Cause" mythology and the "States' Rights" nonsense as the primary motivator of the Confederacy.

[CayceG]

12 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

If you're too lazy to dispute the points then why bother responding?

 

The Daily Caller doesn't deserve the time. Their criticism is always suspect because of their racial and nationalist biases. 

[CayceG]

But in general, it's worth it to read actual historians' criticisms. 

 

Like SFLU said, some of the criticisms are legitimate. Such as:

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In December 2019, five leading American historians—Wilentz, McPherson, Wood, Bynum, and Oakes—sent a letter to the Times expressing objections to the framing of the project and accusing the authors of a "displacement of historical understanding by ideology." The letter disputed the claim, made in the Hannah-Jones' introductory essay to the 1619 Project, that "one of the primary reasons the colonists decided to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the institution of slavery". The Times published the letter along with a rebuttal from the magazine's editor-in-chief, Jake Silverstein.[7][5] Wood responded in a letter, "I don't know of any colonist who said that they wanted independence in order to preserve their slaves [...] No colonist expressed alarm that the mother country was out to abolish slavery in 1776."

(from the wiki on 1619)

 

Overall, however, the project is good about orienting present American life as being impacted greatly by the institution of slavery. That's worth something. That's worth learning in school. 

[Reputator]

32 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

We can safely discount criticisms of the 1619 Project from the likes of the Daily Caller.

 

We cannot similarly handwave away the reservations of the project from historians like James McPherson who has tirelessly worked to dispel the "Lost Cause" mythology and the "States' Rights" nonsense as the primary motivator of the Confederacy.

 

This is what I was getting at. There seems to be some major factual disputes going on here.

 

But leave it to @Jason for his endless substantial contributions to this forum.

[CayceG]

18 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

This is what I was getting at. There seems to be some major factual disputes going on here.

 

But leave it to @Jason for his endless substantial contributions to this forum.

 

 

So after reading up a bit on some of the criticisms and the rebuttals, it seems to me that people are reading the initial essay by Nikole Hannah-Jones as a historical document. 

 

It is not solely that. Its intention is to reframe our understanding of the stories surrounding the history of slavery in the US. It is a work of journalism--a collection of essays. Nikole Hannah-Jones got flack for some of the claims made in her essay (mentioned above). Bret "Bedbug" Stephens dinged her on some of them. She responded that it's hyperbolic and not meant to be taken literally. Whatever. There's still some things that are just incorrect, but it doesn't change the overall thrust of the essays. 

 

The safest way to approach 1619 is as a jumping off point into finding out more about the history and to deconstruct what we think we know about it. 

 

 

 

 

That said, the anti-1619 project thing from the tweet that started all this is NOT intended to be a historical correction of the record put forth in the 1619 Project. 

It is propaganda intended to push back against this reframing and instead support the false Great America that did no wrong. I'd put money on it being part of the "Patriotic Education" push too. 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

18 minutes ago, CayceG said:

That said, the anti-1619 project thing from the tweet that started all this is NOT intended to be a historical correction of the record put forth in the 1619 Project. 

It is propaganda intended to push back against this reframing and instead support the false Great America that did no wrong. I'd put money on it being part of the "Patriotic Education" push too.

I'm 100% for teaching the 1619 project if only because the relatively ticky-tack issues of history within it that I've read (like you, seemingly mostly surrounding her introductory essay) pale in comparison to an average trump tweet so watching his supporters get all worked up about this is just hilarious to me

[Joe]

48 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

This is what I was getting at. There seems to be some major factual disputes going on here.

 

But leave it to @Jason for his endless substantial contributions to this forum.

 

I am one of Jason's biggest critics and I know very well how obnoxious he can be as a poster, but posting a Daily Caller article really is lazy dude. I'm sure there are legitimate criticism of the the 1619 project, but you cannot possible equate that criticism with that of Charlie Kirk. Let's check out some of his most recent tweets:

 

 

 

 

You see how this is vastly different than disagreeing with some of the assertions of the 1619 project, yeah? The man is a straight up malicious fake news propagator. 

[Reputator]

51 minutes ago, Joe said:

 

I am one of Jason's biggest critics and I know very well how obnoxious he can be as a poster, but posting a Daily Caller article really is lazy dude. I'm sure there are legitimate criticism of the the 1619 project, but you cannot possible equate that criticism with that of Charlie Kirk. Let's check out some of his most recent tweets:

 

 

 

 

You see how this is vastly different than disagreeing with some of the assertions of the 1619 project, yeah? The man is a straight up malicious fake news propagator. 

 

I'm not siding with Charlie Kirk. What I posted doesn't appear to have been written by him, and beyond the source of the article I posted, some of the criticisms are lobbied by credible people.

 

Maybe it was lazy of me, so what? A hand wave still wasn't a sufficient dismissal of the criticisms.

[SuperSpreader]

 

Trump raised $200m from false election claims. What happens to the money now? | Donald Trump | The Guardian

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The president could use the funds to ensure he and his allies remain a powerful force in US politics

 

[Jason]

13 hours ago, Reputator said:

Maybe it was lazy of me, so what? A hand wave still wasn't a sufficient dismissal of the criticisms.

 

I was not attempting to dismiss any valid criticisms. I was simply pointing out that the Daily Caller is an inherently unreliable source and that you need to post better sources if you want people to have a discussion about something other than the quality of the source.

[mclumber1]

I'm not surprised, are you?