b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Just now, Chairslinger said: I dunno, I think we are past that. They don't just want it to be functionally dead, they want the scalp. As much as the read meat dumbass conservatives would like that I think the smartest of the bunch realize how effective the bad faith “it’s still the law!” Is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: As much as the read meat dumbass conservatives would like that I think the smartest of the bunch realize how effective the bad faith “it’s still the law!” Is Exactly. It's in their interest that they can mobilize voters with judges; I don't think they're expecting to get even more of that vote by gutting it. Also, this makes me want to buy Reaganland. It may be my next political book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Just for perspective, the Spanish Empire lasted 100 years longer than the age of the United States. It's gonna be a long ride down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I know it's petty, but I'm almost more upset about the language of the hypocrisy than the act itself. The GOP stalled on Garland because it was within their power and they wanted a chance to nominate someone themselves. They'll rush through this vote because they have the power and they would rather have a Trump nominee now than a potential Biden nominee later. If they just said "this is the power afforded to the Senate, and we get to wield it the way we want, deal with it" I'd have the slightest bit more respect for them. Instead now, just as it was then, we get an endless string of lies and empty justifications. You're not playing to precedent or history, you're not respecting voters or living up to your constitutional duties. You're wielding the power granted to you by this undemocratic institution effectively and ruthlessly. Yeah, I'm not happy with the outcome, but the outcome was obvious from the start, I've made whatever peace I can make with myself over what will happen. I just hate that not only does the outcome not change, but we have to listen to these sniveling lowlives' incessant falsehoods and phony moral justifications all the while on our roller coaster to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 They're so fucking bad at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jason said: They're so fucking bad at this. Why is that bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe said: Why is that bad? Because they're wasting time and energy on shit that won't move the needle. We already know Republicans are incapable of feeling shame, and Democrats don't need to be reminded that Republicans are massive hypocrites on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jason said: They're so fucking bad at this. It doesn’t matter how “good” Democrats are at this (they’re terrible). They don’t have a consolidated media ecosystem like Fox News and talk radio to amplify and repeat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jason said: Because they're wasting time and energy on shit that won't move the needle. We already know Republicans are incapable of feeling shame, and Democrats don't need to be reminded that Republicans are massive hypocrites on this. How do you know this to be true? Aren't they breaking donation records atm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1) Republicans overturn Roe v Wade 2) Democrats smile smugly that they were right, GOP are hypocrites 3) Democrat leadership smiles because they can fundraise off it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 One of these days, we'll get back to talking about things past moping about Democrats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 There’s nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy...That’s absolutely what they should be doing, and it would be grossly negligent to not score those easy points. What really matters is what (if anything) they do beyond that, and it’s still too early to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, Chris- said: There’s nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy...That’s absolutely what they should be doing, and it would be grossly negligent to not score those easy points. What really matters is what (if anything) they do beyond that, and it’s still too early to tell. It’s just about the only thing senate Democrats can do at this point too i love shitting on dems more than anyone but when there isn’t even business on the floor of the senate to deal with it, or a nominee or anything, not much you can do at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Pushing a narrative that is also based in fact that the GOP can’t be trusted to do what they say, even a mere 4 years later, is a worthwhile opening move in the weeks leading up to a big election and the confirmation process. Getting the American people on board with whatever scheme each side cooks up. If the Dems are going to go the route of jamming up the senate calendar via the House impeaching, that presents a very real chance of backfiring in the election if they can’t get the public on board with it. Messaging matters a LOT right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, sblfilms said: up. If the Dems are going to go the route of jamming up the senate calendar via the House impeaching, that presents a very real chance of backfiring in the election if they can’t get the public on board with it Nancy already said she ain’t doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Nancy already said she ain’t doing it These surgery drugs are affecting my memory of who the speaker is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: These surgery drugs are affecting my memory of who the speaker is. It’s okay, they’re affecting her too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 The Dems should just accept the fact that they got hosed on this and use it as a rallying cry to get their people to vote on November 3rd. In fact, if the GOP slams through a nominee before the election, it takes away a lot of the wind in the sails of GOP voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Pushing a narrative that is also based in fact that the GOP can’t be trusted to do what they say, even a mere 4 years later, is a worthwhile opening move in the weeks leading up to a big election and the confirmation process. I don't think this especially matters until there's a critical mass reached that starts to affect the narratives on popular conservative media. It don't think it especially matters that overturning Roe isn't particularly popular in general, it's exceptionally popular with the most vocal contingent of the Republican party and its talking heads, both official and unofficial. Is the GOP currently at risk for being pro life? Pro gun regulation? Pro taxing the rich? No, and the rest of what what Republicans so at the national level doesn't really matter. If this was a state or local election I'd agree, but here... does anyone really think that McConnell, Cruz, Collins, etc., are ever actually attempting to be anything other than malleable obstructionists? This is what many of them have recently campaigned on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Nancy already said she ain’t doing it Wait she did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Wait she did? Oh no I’m Fake news sad! Pelosi won't rule out using impeachment as option to stop Trump Supreme Court pick WWW.FOXNEWS.COM House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday would not rule out impeachment as an option to stop President Trump’s Supreme Court pick from being confirmed to the... Don’t trust what I say sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 19 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I don’t want to think they’ll roll back contraception access any more than they already have, but I don’t feel completely safe. Because, yeah, I recall reading the dissent in Lawrence. Yikes. Amazes me how they can be anti-abortion and anti-contraception. One of these things helps reduce the other... But I really don't know how you could argue (with an attempt to change their minds) with someone about abortion if they firmly believe life starts at contraception. This seems to be the root of their belief; people consider a zygote as a life with full rights. They attach their full emotional weight to them; making it impossible to argue about context and circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, SaysWho? said: One of these days, we'll get back to talking about things past moping about Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, cusideabelincoln said: Amazes me how they can be anti-abortion and anti-contraception. One of these things helps reduce the other... But I really don't know how you could argue (with an attempt to change their minds) with someone about abortion if they firmly believe life starts at contraception. This seems to be the root of their belief; people consider a zygote as a life with full rights. They attach their full emotional weight to them; making it impossible to argue about context and circumstances. It does me too, then I remember Griswold v Connecticut was after the birth of my parents. It then took another seven years for the court to give the green light for unmarried people to use birth control. We are not that far removed from basic rights being granted and there are still plenty of people out there who want to control women’s bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: It does me too, then I remember Griswold v Connecticut was after the birth of my parents. It then took another seven years for the court to give the green light for unmarried people to use birth control. We are not that far removed from basic rights being granted and there are still plenty of people out there who want to control women’s bodies. All of those Senators who wanted to postpone a nomination in 2016 are white men! In general our representatives do not actually represent the diversity of our population. Even more staggering is the fact that 6 of our Supreme Court Justices are (were) Catholic. 28% of our population should not be represented by 66% of the Supreme Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said: Amazes me how they can be anti-abortion and anti-contraception. One of these things helps reduce the other... But I really don't know how you could argue (with an attempt to change their minds) with someone about abortion if they firmly believe life starts at contraception. This seems to be the root of their belief; people consider a zygote as a life with full rights. They attach their full emotional weight to them; making it impossible to argue about context and circumstances. They think contraception is similar to abortion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said: They think contraception is similar to abortion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said: They think contraception is similar to abortion My civics and AP government teacher in high school informed us how she stopped using BC because she found out it was basically abortion. She also kept a little sign on her desk that said marriage = one man + one woman. This was the education I got in the early 2000s. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, SlipperySlope said: They think contraception is similar to abortion Yep, and Catholics still hold onto most of that view, some more than others. While they can claim that every potential life is worth fostering because it's God's Will, a more insidious interpretation of having as many children as possible is that doing so grows their own belief system, because those kids will be taught the same bullshit and then teach kids of their own that bullshit. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that is the true origin of this interpretation, because at some point in human history they needed to increase the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said: Yep, and Catholics still hold onto most of that view, some more than others. While they can claim that every potential life is worth fostering because it's God's Will, a more insidious interpretation of having as many children as possible is that doing so grows their own belief system, because those kids will be taught the same bullshit and then teach kids of their own that bullshit. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that is the true origin of this interpretation, because at some point in human history they needed to increase the population. You've never heard of the Quiverfull movement? I.e. the Duggar family philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You've never heard of the Quiverfull movement? I.e. the Duggar family philosophy. Not that term, but I know of the concept. It's a more recent movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said: Not that term, but I know of the concept. It's a more recent movement? Doing a quick search, the concept has been around for a long time, but the actual movement seems to have taken off in the late 70s/early 80s? I only heard of it when the Duggar family became prominent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Isn't Philip Rivers a Quiverfull guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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