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13 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Yup, I've read that too about the same gun store. And most of the " illegal " guns used in crimes in New York and New Jersey come from Pennsylvania and other states with more... liberal gun laws than either of those states.

Here in NY a few years ago we had some dude who walked up to a Cop car in Brooklyn and shot both officers point blank, killing them. 

 

That gun was traced back to a purchase made at gun store in Georgia...15 years prior!!!!!! 

 

That right there sum up this countries entire problem with our gun epidemic. 

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10 minutes ago, atom631 said:

 

"Involuntary Celibate" 

 

basically they hate women and in particular, feminists. Because feminists align themselves with liberalism, incels tend to lean extreme-right (alt-right) in their views. 

So that guy who shot up the yoga studio was an Incel? Fuck... go to a strip club or call up a fucking hooker for god's sake.

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9 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

"Notice the states highlighted in yellow. Several states — Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and Virginia — are common sources of firearms for most of the states for which we compiled data. Those states are also ones in which gun laws are not among the most stringent."

Almost all of those states have lower violent crime rates than Illinois (Alabama being the exception).  This tells me the ease availability of the guns isn't the cause of the violence, but it does enable it.  I think what McLumber is getting at is that we need to address the underlying problems that make Chicago such a violent city (extreme poverty, addiction, drug war, gang policies, etc.).  Get a handle on what makes so many in the city turn to violence in the first place.

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What's an Incel?

"Involuntary Celibate".  Basically someone who is suuuuuuper frustrated that they can't get laid or have any sort of successful romantic relationship (usually due to crippling social awkwardness or unhealthiness). Manifests itself in irrational and extreme anger towards women in general (and sometimes other men who they are jealous of).

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50 minutes ago, Slug said:

Almost all of those states have lower violent crime rates than Illinois (Alabama being the exception).  This tells me the ease availability of the guns isn't the cause of the violence, but it does enable it.  I think what McLumber is getting at is that we need to address the underlying problems that make Chicago such a violent city (extreme poverty, addiction, drug war, gang policies, etc.).  Get a handle on what makes so many in the city turn to violence in the first place.

 

You might want to check your statistics there my friend because while Illinois may have a higher overall number of gun deaths than those states because of population, it has a lower rate of gun deaths when you factor in population vs number of incidents.

 

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/359395002

 

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When adjusted for the population size, five of the deadliest 10 states are in the South, and six are among the 10 poorest U.S. states. In all but five states, more than half of all firearm fatalities were suicides.

 

In fact all of the big violent urban states are lower. New York is ranked 48th out of 50, Jersey 45, California 43. Illinois 35. Pennsylvania 31, Texas 29, Virginia 28, Ohio 25

These states  have higher rates of gun violence based on population than the ones with stricter gun laws.

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21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So that guy who shot up the yoga studio was an Incel? Fuck... go to a strip club or call up a fucking hooker for god's sake.

The fact that women don't think he's good enough to fuck and he needs to resort to a strip club or a hooker is part of their justification. 

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10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

You might want to check your statistics there my friend because while Illinois may have a higher overall number of gun deaths than those states because of population, it was a lower rate of gun deaths when you factor in population vs number of incidents.

 

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/359395002

 

 

In fact all of the big violent urban states are lower. New York is ranked 48th out of 50, Jersey 45, California 43. Illinois 35. Pennsylvania 31, Texas 29, Virginia 28, Ohio 25

These states  have higher rates of gun violence based on population than the ones with stricter gun laws.

I'll go recheck where I got those numbers.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousand-oaks-gunman/index.html

 

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In April, officers responded to a disturbance at Long's home, and he was somewhat irate and acting irrationally, Dean said. A mental health specialist met with him and ultimately decided not to detain him under laws pertaining to his mental health.

We can blame guns all we want... this is the other major contributing factor. 

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousand-oaks-gunman/index.html

 

We can blame guns all we want... this is the other major contributing factor. 

The United States isn't the only country where people have mental health issues... where just a country where those people have easy access to guns. So while mental health is a factor,  the accessibility to guns is the driving factor

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Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

The United States isn't the only country where people have mental health issues... where just a country where those people have easy access to guns. So while mental health is a factor,  the accessibility to guns is the driving factor

And if he was a PTSD sufferer due to combat stress, then it's the goddamned "Forever War" doing its malignant magic again.

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21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

You might want to check your statistics there my friend because while Illinois may have a higher overall number of gun deaths than those states because of population, it was a lower rate of gun deaths when you factor in population vs number of incidents.

 

10 minutes ago, Slug said:

I'll go recheck where I got those numbers.

 

So it looks like the rankings I saw were for violent crime in general, not gun crime specifically.  Was the U.S. New and World Report rankings based on the FBI's UCR.  So they don't really apply because they're including violent crime that may not be gun related.  So good call on your part. :P  Now, FWIW your list is for deaths, not homicides.  I wonder what your rankings would look like when adjusted for suicides.  Illinois probably jumps from 31into the top 10 easily.

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13 minutes ago, Slug said:

 

 

So it looks like the rankings I saw were for violent crime in general, not gun crime specifically.  Was the U.S. New and World Report rankings based on the FBI's UCR.  So they don't really apply because they're including violent crime that may not be gun related.  So good call on your part. :P  Now, FWIW your list is for deaths, not homicides.  I wonder what your rankings would look like when adjusted for suicides.  Illinois probably jumps from 31into the top 10 easily.

I'll look that up.

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