mclumber1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 This isn't an EVIL policy. It's a dumb policy politically, but it isn't evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: This isn't an EVIL policy. It's a dumb policy politically, but it isn't evil. The reason for implementing this executive order is to send babies born in America back to countries where they and their families will face potential violence. Yes, it’s evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The reason for implementing this executive order is to send babies born in America back to countries where they and their families will face potential violence. Yes, it’s evil. I see what you are saying, and I agree there is malice behind the intent of this EO. I just disagree that ending birthright citizenship at a basic level, is evil. Or racist for that matter. I suppose if I were to enact legislation to end birthright citizenship, it would only apply to future births, not those who have already benefited from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I'm not one to label everything he does a distraction but that's absolutely what this is and I won't comment further unless/until we hear about it after the midterms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Remember when The Right labeled Obama a dictator who ignored the constitution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Remember when The Right labeled Obama a dictator who ignored the constitution? Remember when they freaked out about Obama sending active duty military to Texas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Remember when they freaked out about Obama sending active duty military to Texas? I 'member! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Remember when shame was at least a factor politicians had to consider before doing something deplorable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Has this issue ever been argued in front of the Supreme Court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 After spending an hour reading about it all, it is going to be interesting. Does somebody sue and have the case go to the Supreme court where they will go back to where the senator that proposed the Amendment stated it was just for newly freed slaves and their children. Originalists could convince other court members to side with the original intention of the senator that proposed the amendment? Or do they live with an executive order for 2 possibly 6 more years until another president comes around and deletes it? That way nobody has to worry about the Supreme court deciding on the matter. I am going to go with somebody is going to immediately sue and it is going to end up in front of SCOTUS with a possible shit outcome for them. Either way if that is the line of thinking of those that surround Trump they need to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 17 hours ago, Jason said: Ah, so we're following in the footsteps of other civilized countries, then? Sweet. Let's get to banning firearms outright, get a public health care system, and an immigration system that isn't so terribly outdated that doing it legally is absurd, teach our citizens to not be fucking idiots who listen to people like this, etc, etc! I'll trade birthright citizenship for all of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Snaynay1 said: Has this issue ever been argued in front of the Supreme Court? Plenty of times. If anything, SCOTUS has expanded it by directly attacking the sovereignty of Native tribes and their land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 20 hours ago, mclumber1 said: I see what you are saying, and I agree there is malice behind the intent of this EO. I just disagree that ending birthright citizenship at a basic level, is evil. Or racist for that matter. I suppose if I were to enact legislation to end birthright citizenship, it would only apply to future births, not those who have already benefited from it. I'll set aside evil, but I do think it's pretty plainly racist in both intent and effect. The whole idea is that it gives us the power to get rid of those dirty foreigners who don't belong to this country. I can't imagine that even if enacted that it would be retroactive in any way, but that's beside the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 What happens to people of countries that are in the us illegally, but the home country of their parents does not give citizenship based on the citizenship of the parents? Are these newborn children stateless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: What happens to people of countries that are in the us illegally, but the home country of their parents does not give citizenship based on the citizenship of the parents? Are these newborn children stateless? To the best of my knowledge such a situation does not exist. Pretty much all countries operate under the premise of jus sanguinis (right of blood) for citizenship by default with jus soli existing side-by-side in those 30 or so countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 33 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: What happens to people of countries that are in the us illegally, but the home country of their parents does not give citizenship based on the citizenship of the parents? Are these newborn children stateless? I'm pretty sure that international law and agreements make sure that no one is stateless...but that's a good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Guns: YOU CAN"T CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!! Birthright: Eh, fuck it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Cool story bro. 17 minutes ago, osxmatt said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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osxmatt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jason said: 2 term Senator from Nevada 25 years ago said something that helps my political case so now I can amend the constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: What happens to people of countries that are in the us illegally, but the home country of their parents does not give citizenship based on the citizenship of the parents? Are these newborn children stateless? So this actually happened to my lady's brother. They were born in Spain but their Father is Cuban. He and their mother (who was a Spanish Citizen) moved to the United states when my girl and her brothers were kids. They've since all become legal residents. Her brother got in trouble with the law and and was deported to Spain but since his father isn't a Spanish citizen, he has no citizenship there so he's basically a man without a country and he's having a hard time over there. I guess he could go to Cuba... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: So this actually happened to my lady's brother. They were born in Spain but their Father is Cuban. He and their mother (who was a Spanish Citizen) moved to the United states when my girl and her brothers were kids. They've since all become legal residents. Her brother got in trouble with the law and and was deported to Spain but since his father isn't a Spanish citizen, he has no citizenship there so he's basically a man without a country and he's having a hard time over there. I guess he could go to Cuba... He has Spanish citizenship through his mother under Article 17 of the Spanish Civil Code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: He has Spanish citizenship through his mother. He's been in Spain three years now so... I don't know if the circumstances of his deportation are holding him up, but he basically has no rights in Spain as a Citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, skillzdadirecta said: He's been in Spain three years now so... I don't know if the circumstances of his deportation are holding him up, but he basically has no rights in Spain as a Citizen. He probably should get in touch with an attorney because the law is quite clear: Spanish parent = Spanish citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: He probably should get in touch with an attorney because the law is quite clear: Spanish parent = Spanish citizen. He's got... issues so he may or may not know this. I got all this info second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyyoubluray Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Fake news! America is still a melting pot, it's just that it currently only wants to melt marshmallows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 2:23 PM, mclumber1 said: This isn't an EVIL policy. It's a dumb policy politically, but it isn't evil. On 10/30/2018 at 2:37 PM, sblfilms said: Yes, it’s evil. On 10/30/2018 at 2:41 PM, mclumber1 said: I see what you are saying, and I agree there is malice behind the intent of this EO. Boy do I love these boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chris- said: Boy do I love these boards. Honestly I don't normally equate malice with evil - but there it is right in the thesaurus - they mean the same thing. Jerk -> Dickhead -> Malice -> Evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 my dickhead could use a jerk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Anathema- said: my dickhead could use a jerk Did you jerk it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Snaynay1 said: Did you jerk it yet? Yeah buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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