Keyser_Soze Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hiriing a voice actor is a good solution but an expensive one. Simpsons is mostly profitable and still going because multiple people voice the same characters and it's cheap to do. Bring in a guy to just voice Apu on occasion and then you're cutting into those profits. Better to just stop doing it all together. Also to the person who posed the question of name someone not a stereotype, Carl is pretty much just a regular dude (they probably figured if they stereotyped a black guy that would be bad ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALIEN-gunner Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, SimpleG said: Toning it down could work but how much is enough? If they are trying to make folks happy the easiest way is just get an indian american actor/actress to to do the voice. Say they do replace him with an actor from India with a similar thick accent, what will these people complain about then? That he isn't Indian enough like SJW's complained that Ruby Rose wasn't Lesbian enough to play Batwoman? I just don't buy this controverry. The guy that made the documentary is a comedian and a very vocal extreme left wing one at that. But replacing voice actors happens all the time so it's a realistic scenario. However Apu's voice is so iconic it's going to sound weird if he suddenly changes. I doubt his character will be actually written off the show as this news is only just an rumor and one of the shows producers basically debunked it today. And it might be PR suicide to just delete a minority character with no reason. Still the show is all about stereotypes were we laugh at the stereotypes not the characters as if they're stupid, except for Homer as he is exceptionally stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xbob42 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 15 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: This is the equivalent of a white dude putting on black face. No the fuck it is not. Blackface wasn't about poking fun or pointing out how silly stereotypes are, Blackface was about showing the world how ape-like and lesser black people were. Apu is a successful businessman, father and husband, while Homer is a fat retard, awful dad and incompetent in general, but it's Blackface because it's a white guy voicing Apu doing a dumb accent. Jesus Christ. Pick better battles, people. People got picked on in school because of Apu? Is that the Simpsons' fault, or is it because kids are shitty and need to be raised better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkness35 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Xbob42 said: Apu is a successful businessman, father and husband, Do you really think people look at the personal success first before the stereotype? Quote People got picked on in school because of Apu? Is that the Simpsons' fault, or is it because kids are shitty and need to be raised better? Unfortunately can't argue with the latter, the show probably is just another way for kids to to be little shits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Kids are gonna be shits no matter what. I remember this POS kid used to kill an Indian kid in my school “slumdog”. Kids are just going to revert to anyone/thing that resembles their target. To say that’s Apu’s fault is dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, darkness35 said: Do you really think people look at the personal success first before the stereotype? It's almost like one of the recurring themes of the show since its inception is looking beyond the surface level of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 22 hours ago, SimpleG said: I understand fully what people are trying to and I know they mean well but I can see the other side of the coin. I dont like it when the upright moral brigade decides what is and isnt morally right for everyone .For now the ball is on the Left side of the court when come it comes to moral outrage( I dont mean that in a disrespectful way ) and we have seen what happens when the Right has control and I dont want another Jesse Helms deciding whats moral. I believe we have as much moral responsibility to make sure Apu is as least racist as possible as a Church Pastor as has the moral responsibility to make sure a gay night club doesnt open up the community. Its exactly none. I never said that Fox has a moral responsibility to make Apu less racist. But why profligate racism? If it's not funny, and most of the effect is negative, then to what end why keep it? There's just no point, and it isn't funny. Fox is responding to moral market forces, and that makes sense. And we have every right to use morality to influence the market. 17 hours ago, HGLatinBoy said: I mean how white is Hank Azaria? he's also voices Carl the black guy that works for homer I guess he has to stop doing that too. I'm not opposed to changing the actor if it helps the situation but really its the accent that needs to change and what Apu does and what he means for the show. I'm not a fan of changing around voice actors just because of their race either. It would make it so only people of certain races could play certain roles and not be about their voice range or talent. I have no problem with Azaria simply toning it down a couple of notches, I'm not against that at all. I just think diversifying and hiring more minority when its a minority role anyway just helps is all. 8 hours ago, Xbob42 said: No the fuck it is not. Blackface wasn't about poking fun or pointing out how silly stereotypes are, Blackface was about showing the world how ape-like and lesser black people were. Apu is a successful businessman, father and husband, while Homer is a fat retard, awful dad and incompetent in general, but it's Blackface because it's a white guy voicing Apu doing a dumb accent. Jesus Christ. Pick better battles, people. As a Pakistani American, I can say that to me it comes off like black face. Just because the bigger context around Apu's character is positive doesn't make any difference. If you find the analogy too extreme then you can always go with SFLUFAN's "drunk Irishman" or "lazy Mexican" stereotypes. The point it its bad and it insults the group of people Apu is meant to reflect and represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Mexicans have a lazy stereotype? Wat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: I never said that Fox has a moral responsibility to make Apu less racist No you did not and I never said you did. 12 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: If it's not funny, and most of the effect is negative Yup 12 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: then to what end why keep it? There's just no point, and it isn't funny. Fox is responding to moral market forces That moral market force is one you happen to agree with and so do I 14 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: And we have every right to use morality to influence the market. And this gets to the crux of my argument,what happens when the moral justification is one we dont agree with? Moral justification gives power to groups like PMRC , CMAA, and people like Anita Bryant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, SimpleG said: And this gets to the crux of my argument,what happens when the moral justification is one we dont agree with? Moral justification gives power to groups like PMRC , CMAA, and people like Anita Bryant. I follow you - sorry if I sounded standoff-ish, I wasn't trying to be. I would say that we mostly agree then except that I am okay with a case by case basis on determining "when is far too far" and you don't like the idea of slippery slopes. I think saying "slippery slope" is a form of disingenuousness because it isn't a slippery slope. The same argument is used with gun control: "if they ban guns, what's next? Cars? Knives? It's a slippery slope!" Same with marijuana: "if we allow weed, what's next? Cocaine? Heroin? It's a slippery slope!" No it's not. It ends with guns. It ends with weed. Same kind of idea here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose said: Mexicans have a lazy stereotype? Wat. Yeah. Not so much recently. Go back and watch some old speedy gonzalez cartoons. His family were all stereotype lazy mexican. Sooo... because of that you might have trouble finding those episodes unless you buy them on DVD. I have the first season of Sesame Street on DVD that I purchased about 7 years ago when my kids were young enough for that stuff. Those DVD's have a warning on them that they may not be suitable for children... seriously. That is the PC age we are living in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 How can they be lazy and take our jerbs doe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, number305 said: Yeah. Not so much recently. Go back and watch some old speedy gonzalez cartoons. His family were all stereotype lazy mexican. Sooo... because of that you might have trouble finding those episodes unless you buy them on DVD. I have the first season of Sesame Street on DVD that I purchased about 7 years ago when my kids were young enough for that stuff. Those DVD's have a warning on them that they may not be suitable for children... seriously. That is the PC age we are living in. I think that's because there is some stuff with little kids going off with strangers in those early episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose said: Mexicans have a lazy stereotype? Wat. How do you not know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jose said: How can they be lazy and take our jerbs doe. 69D chess mental gymnastics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jason said: How do you not know this. Never heard this one either actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-46017390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Jason said: How do you not know this. I think the lazy stereotype is a thing of the past (like pre-1950s). The stereotype today is of somebody who works day and night for little to no money. That's my perception at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, GeneticBlueprint said: I think the lazy stereotype is a thing of the past (like pre-1950s). The stereotype today is of somebody who works day and night for little to no money. That's my perception at least. I think the lazy stereotype has been moved to describe millennials. I hear a ton of older people say that line all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Mexicans are the hardest workers. There's this lady who cleans the restaurant next door and she works every day of the week including holidays. She never gets a day off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: I think the lazy stereotype is a thing of the past (like pre-1950s). The stereotype today is of somebody who works day and night for little to no money. That's my perception at least. What do you think all the griping about illegal immigrants wanting to sneak in and be welfare queens is based on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 10 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: As a Pakistani American, I can say that to me it comes off like black face. A Pakistani, identifying that strongly with an Indian? Ha. Now I know you're bullshitting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Why do white people always think they can tell minorities how they’re supposed to feel about something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGLatinBoy Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, johnny said: Why do white people always think they can tell minorities how they’re supposed to feel about something I'm not white though I'm not an Indian American either. But its hard to offend me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 hours ago, Xbob42 said: A Pakistani, identifying that strongly with an Indian? Ha. Now I know you're bullshitting. White people cannot tell the difference. 11 hours ago, johnny said: Why do white people always think they can tell minorities how they’re supposed to feel about something What are you going to do, stop us? That would be REAL oppression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 16 hours ago, Jason said: What do you think all the griping about illegal immigrants wanting to sneak in and be welfare queens is based on? "Welfare queens" typically refers to black people. "Muh jerbz" refers to hispanics and that doesn't make them sound lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 hours ago, johnny said: Why do white people always think they can tell minorities how they’re supposed to feel about something Bitch, Asians make up like 60% of the planet's population. They're only a local minority! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Mexicans being lazy was for sure a stereotype when I was a kid, and I’m in my late 30s. It’s a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 15 hours ago, Xbob42 said: A Pakistani, identifying that strongly with an Indian? Ha. Now I know you're bullshitting. For Urdu-speaking Pakistanis and Hindi-speaking Indians, their accents when speaking English will be similar if not identical as Hindi and Urdu are the essentially the same language written in different scripts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: For Urdu-speaking Pakistanis and Hindi-speaking Indians, their accents when speaking English will be similar if not identical as Hindi and Urdu are the essentially the same language. Ah, so they finally have a common cause to unite over and end the hatred! Apu will save millions in the end! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: White people cannot tell the difference. I certainly can't. I found that out the hard way when asking my block's bodega owner where in Pakistan he's from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, GeneticBlueprint said: "Welfare queens" typically refers to black people. "Muh jerbz" refers to hispanics and that doesn't make them sound lazy. Literally yesterday I was listening to NPR and some woman in favor of ending birthright citizenship was citing keeping people from anchoring themselves into mooching off our social services as a reason to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jason said: Literally yesterday I was listening to NPR and some woman in favor of ending birthright citizenship was citing keeping people from anchoring themselves into mooching off our social services as a reason to do it. Probably spoken by an actual welfare queen, too. SMDH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: White people cannot tell the difference. 16 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: I certainly can't. I found that out the hard way when asking my block's bodega owner where in Pakistan he's from. See my last post as to why you can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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