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jaethos

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Let's see how long it takes manufacturers to actually implement this and when they do how many ports actually support it. Even today a lot of TVs only have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports. Even devices with 2.1 frequently don't have the full bandwidth. Neither of the current consoles do and even the newest Samsung OLEDs don't.

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23 minutes ago, jaethos said:

Let's see how long it takes manufacturers to actually implement this and when they do how many ports actually support it. Even today a lot of TVs only have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports. Even devices with 2.1 frequently don't have the full bandwidth. Neither of the current consoles do and even the newest Samsung OLEDs don't.


TBF, it’s because all but Samsung and LG source from the same company and they keep doing 2x 2.1 + 2x 2.0b for whatever reason. The reason many devices/consoles don’t have full bandwidth is because they realized 4:4:4 12bit HDR was pointless since nothing is encoded for it, thus they just keep enough bandwidth for 10bit at 4k 120hz.

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20 minutes ago, jaethos said:

Let's see how long it takes manufacturers to actually implement this and when they do how many ports actually support it. Even today a lot of TVs only have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports. Even devices with 2.1 frequently don't have the full bandwidth. Neither of the current consoles do and even the newest Samsung OLEDs don't.

I think a large part of the problem is that increasing screen quality at this point is just a flex. The leaps and bounds from 20th-century TVs/monitors to 21st-century TVs/monitors just don't exist. It's all incremental to your average consumer. So increasing quality will continue to be a niche market when manufacturers can save money by going with cheaper HDMI ports and barely see a change in sales numbers.

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7 minutes ago, TheShader said:

I think a large part of the problem is that increasing screen quality at this point is just a flex. The leaps and bounds from 20th-century TVs/monitors to 21st-century TVs/monitors just don't exist. It's all incremental to your average consumer. So increasing quality will continue to be a niche market when manufacturers can save money by going with cheaper HDMI ports and barely see a change in sales numbers.


It’s really because they all source from Mediatek… and they’re douchbags who keep promising 4x 2.1 ports on their “updated” pentonic chipset literally every year. LG and Samsung make their own, which is why their TVs all have 4x 2.1 ports.

But, yes, ultimately I agree that the vast majority won’t know or care about 8k at 120hz vs 60hz or 4k at 240hz vs 120hz or 60hz.

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11 minutes ago, TheShader said:

I think a large part of the problem is that increasing screen quality at this point is just a flex. The leaps and bounds from 20th-century TVs/monitors to 21st-century TVs/monitors just don't exist. It's all incremental to your average consumer. So increasing quality will continue to be a niche market when manufacturers can save money by going with cheaper HDMI ports and barely see a change in sales numbers.

 

There is a point for very large TVs though. 8k makes a difference on 80+ inches. 

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53 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said:

 

There is a point for very large TVs though. 8k makes a difference on 80+ inches. 


 

I’m over on the AVSForums, where people are asking in my projector section. Should I get a projector or the 98” or 110” TCL TV. How the fuck do you get that into the house and into the room you want it in? I bought a new projection screen that is designed for 8K, but I’m 106”  I think 4k looks stunning now, but my new screen is to improve on that. I would love to see 8k used for actually movie theater screens, where they would benefit the most. My new NZ7 projector has two 2.1 HDMI ports with an 8k e-shift. Don’t really see too much difference, maybe slight bit sharper in certain scenes. The models above mine (NZ8/9/800/900) use an even finer motion e-shift to show a sharper 8K like image, but double the cost of what I got mine for. Now we have 2.2 HDMI?!? 

 

So what I’m really saying is. PLEASE! I CAN’T AFFORD ANYMORE UPDATES!!! 

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23 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

What 8k source material are people planning on watching on these TVs?


How about 4k gaming above 144hz where you can just let gsync/freesync do its thing instead of capping with vsync?

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9 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:


How about 4k gaming above 144hz where you can just let gsync/freesync do its thing instead of capping with vsync?

I was mostly asking the question to the people talking about the benefit of 8k resolutions.

 

If the desire is to cater to gamers with high-end PCs, wouldn't it be easier to slap a DisplayPort on the TV?

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18 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

I was mostly asking the question to the people talking about the benefit of 8k resolutions.

 

If the desire is to cater to gamers with high-end PCs, wouldn't it be easier to slap a DisplayPort on the TV?


TV standards use HDMI, not DP, for whatever reason. Some people with 4090s have 8k TVs on reddit, but the problem I’ve always found is that pretty much all 8k TVs have garbage panels.

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1 minute ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

The usual reasons:

 

* Quality 8K displays are very expensive

* Limited available content

 

 

So when do you think 8K will be standard like 4K is now?

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Just now, Best said:

 

So when do you think 8K will be standard like 4K is now?

 

The benefits of 4k to 8k aren't as prominent as 1080p to 4k. The biggest one is there being barely (if any) notable pixel degradation when shoving your face against the TV (being hyperbolic, but it means you can sit close without quality loss which allows larger displays due to pixel density). 

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Mr.Vic20

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15 minutes ago, Best said:

 

So when do you think 8K will be standard like 4K is now?

I'm not really sure. The truth is that its been around since 2015 (though it cost 100K+ then) and 8K just hasn't caught on. Content isn't really being made for it and 4K is still hard for all GPUs save the pricey ones. 8K has benefits, but its costs to produce those benefits for most consumers (read:90% of all consumers) is silly. The fact I don't have one should tell you a lot about the state of 8K! :p

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4 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

The fact I don't have one should tell you a lot about the state of 8K! :p


And this is a guy who had a 30hz 4k TV who was running 4x GTX 980s to play games at 4k :p 

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jaethos

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2 hours ago, Ominous said:

How about a TV with 1 HDMI port and no speakers. Just a great panel and cut down on all the unnecessary crap made for grandma and grandpa. 

Seeing as most AV receivers are still barely including 40gb 2.1 connections I would still want more than one HDMI port, but I've wanted a cheaper speakerless version of TVs for a long time. I haven't used TV speakers for something like 20 years now.

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Obviously specs should be forward looking, so sure, no reason not to update HDMI.

 

I'm not expecting 8k to be interesting or useful for a long time. I love the 48" OLED I use as a monitor, and if I could get something at the same size with a higher resolution and an equal or better quality panel, I'd consider it, but it doesn't really need to be 8k. My primary TVs are 77" and at that size I doubt I'd really notice a resolution difference even if there was content available.

 

I'd be interested if anyone knows differently, but my understanding is that films are basically never mastered above 4K, and I'm not aware of any expectation that will change anytime soon. If the only content is games, which generally still struggle at 4k60, then 8k is going to remain rare for a very long time.

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AbsolutSurgen

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8 hours ago, Best said:

 

So when do you think 8K will be standard like 4K is now?

4K isn't even the standard for a ton of content yet.

Most sporting events are still done in 1080p.  Most movie theatres aren't 4k.  Most video game consoles aren't rendering anywhere near to 4k for new games.

We can talk about when 8K becomes the standard, once 4k becomes the standard.  

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12 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

4K isn't even the standard for a ton of content yet.

Most sporting events are still done in 1080p.  Most movie theatres aren't 4k.  Most video game consoles aren't rendering anywhere near to 4k for new games.

We can talk about when 8K becomes the standard, once 4k becomes the standard.  

 

No problem with me. I'm completely satisfied with resolutions right now. 

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1 hour ago, Best said:

 

No problem with me. I'm completely satisfied with resolutions right now. 


Ehhh, I’d like TV shows to be 4k as standard tbh. This happens a lot for streaming shows, but things on network/cable are still 1080p or even 720p. Sad times.

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3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:


Ehhh, I’d like TV shows to be 4k as standard tbh. This happens a lot for streaming shows, but things on network/cable are still 1080p or even 720p. Sad times.

 

I watch ALL my content on my phone. I never once utilized my 65inch LG OLED to watch anything. 

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1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

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As a massive fan of MJ I remember seeing this ad as a child and laughing. He makes it seem so easy to just stop drugs and get the help you need. 

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