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[Bacon]

1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

I mean, not being interested in female leads to me does say something about potentially being against female leads. I believe you, but it could also be entrenched subconscious patriarchal cultural stuff you haven't ever dealt with either. A person can evolve, adapt, change, learn to like something they never did before. I'd encourage trying (reading one old book, etc. isn't really trying). You're not obligated to, of course, but I would suggest reflecting on why you'd have such an entrenched perspective on experiencing things along gender lines. This is what feminist thought is all about, about peeling that sort of stuff back even if it is innocent or benign. 

By "not being against" I mean that I'm not out here demanding that only manly man media be made. I do dislike that I have less stuff that I enjoy these days but it is what it is. Not everything should be made just for me, prolly.

 

A person can change, sure, but I'm not going to force myself to like something I don't. Prolly just make things worse

 

If I were to reflect on it, I'd just say I'm sexist or something. I don't consider myself a feminist in the slightest. I mean, I think women should be treated equitably and all that, but that's just human decency. And there isn't any deep thing I haven't dealt with either. I just want my avatar to reflect me to a certain degree. Female leads just don't hit the mark.

[Greatoneshere]

2 minutes ago, Bacon said:

By "not being against" I mean that I'm not out here demanding that only manly man media be made. I do dislike that I have less stuff that I enjoy these days but it is what it is. Not everything should be made just for me, prolly.

 

A person can change, sure, but I'm not going to force myself to like something I don't. Prolly just make things worse

 

If I were to reflect on it, I'd just say I'm sexist or something. I don't consider myself a feminist in the slightest. I mean, I think women should be treated equitably and all that, but that's just human decency. And there isn't any deep thing I haven't dealt with either. I just want my avatar to reflect me to a certain degree. Female leads just don't hit the mark.

 

Fair enough, I'd say there's something there but you seem understanding enough about the preference, etc.

[Bacon]

Just now, Greatoneshere said:

 

Fair enough, I'd say there's something there but you seem understanding enough about the preference, etc.

I mean, do I wanna be a hot buff dude who's banging the hottest chicks? Hell yeah. That's about as deep as it gets

[Greatoneshere]

22 minutes ago, Bacon said:

I mean, do I wanna be a hot buff dude who's banging the hottest chicks? Hell yeah. That's about as deep as it gets

 

I mean, every time, with every single piece of media I consume? I'd hate that, personally. I would certainly want it in rotation but I'd hate to limit the stories and media I'm exposed my whole life to being primarily just that because of it. I'd argue you should try to be a deeper person than just consuming everything on superficial levels when it comes to what you consume but at the end of the day so long as you aren't hurting anyone else or yourself, do what makes you happy of course. You're under no obligation to do more. But you sound like a typical/average guy who hasn't tried to undo the generational patriarchal subconscious brainwashing we've all been forced to endure (that movies like Barbie try to explain to men in an obvious manner so the average guy can start "getting" it indicates this problem with men persists). Therapy also helps with this. This shit is subversive, subversive means deep, so if you never bother to think deeper about it, you'll never know the subversive shit is there contributing to your preferences, instead you think it's the obvious superficial stuff of being a buff dude banging chicks is always great at the expense of all else and leave it at that. But it's about why you need that, essentially pathologically, when I don't. That's what feminism has tried to help uncover to undo that. It's what creates and causes these sorts of preferences (same as racial preferences for racists as an extreme example). 

 

My point is, preferences that split along racial or gender lines always have deeper reasons for existing, those sorts of things aren't limited to the superficial explanations you provided, that's not really how it works. There are reasons you feel and think the way you do, it just sounds like you don't know why and don't care, which is fine. As I said, it's benign, so who cares. But I'd personally want to learn more, try harder, be better, etc. in uncovering and understanding it. It's the same stuff I told PhaseKnox who also suffers from a pathological and unhealthy preference. That's what things like educating yourself on these topics and therapy does, a lot of people go in thinking their preferences or problems or issues are superficial: "I hooked up with her because my preference is [insert preference here] and I like that preference because sex is great and that's as deep as it gets." But there's always more to it, a person's choices are never that simple, it's just they themselves haven't bothered to do the work and take the time to figure out why and how they came to those preferences (examples: my parents were like this, I was raised like this, my religion influenced me like this, I'm starved for sex so I need it vicariously through media because I'm alone because I'm terrible at getting real women (a reason I've heard a lot elsewhere), etc.; whatever the reasons may be). Your issue is pathological so of course there's a mental component here for sure, whether you care to unravel it or not.  

[Best]

27 minutes ago, Bacon said:

I mean, do I wanna be a hot buff dude who's banging the hottest chicks? Hell yeah.

 

This right here tells me Bacon is a very healthy young man. 

[Bacon]

5 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

I mean, every time, with every single piece of media I consume? I'd hate that, personally. I would certainly want it in rotation but I'd hate to limit the stories and media I'm exposed to being just that because of it.

Pretty much.

 

DD2

 

BG3

 

DA:TV

 

FFXIV

 

13 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

I'd argue you should try to be a deeper person than just consuming everything on superficial levels when it comes to what you consume but at the end of the day so long as you aren't hurting anyone or yourself, do what makes you happy of course. You're under no obligation to do more. But you sound like a typical/average guy who hasn't tried to undo the generational patriarchal subconscious brainwashing we've all been forced to endure (that movies like Barbie try to explain to men in an obvious manner so the average guy can start "getting" it). Therapy also helps with this. This shit is subversive, subversive means deep, so if you never bother to think deeper about it, you'll never know the subversive shit is there contributing to your preferences, instead you think it's the obvious superficial stuff of being a buff dude banging chicks. It's about why you need that when I don't. That's what feminism has tried to help uncover to undo that. It's what creates and causes these sorts of preferences (same as racial preferences for racists as an extreme example). 

 

13 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

My point is, preferences that split along racial or gender lines always have deeper reasons for existing, those sorts of things aren't limited to the superficial explanations you provided, that's not really how it works. There are reasons you feel and think the way you do, it just sounds like you don't know why and don't care, which is fine. As I said, it's benign, so who cares. But I'd personally want to learn more, try harder, be better, etc. in uncovering and understanding it. That's what things like educating yourself on these topics and therapy does, a lot of people go in thinking their preferences or problems or issues are superficial: "I hooked up with her because my preference is [insert preference here] and I like that preference because sex and that's as deep as it gets." But there's always more to it, a person's choices are never that simple, it's just they themselves haven't bothered to do the work and take the time to figure out why and how they came to those preferences (my parents were like this, I was raised like this, my religion influenced me like this, I'm starved for sex so I need it vicariously through media because I'm alone because I'm terrible at getting real women (a reason I've heard a lot elsewhere), etc.; whatever the reasons may be). Your issue is pathological so of course there's a mental component her for sure, whether you care to unravel it or not.  

 

This kind of stuff is why I can't bring myself to care. Or like, when I read this, I can't help but think these are issues you had to go through and so all others must be deeply convoluted deep down. I find it really strange that, from how you view it, a lot of people are brainwashed and might need to go to therapy. I think you needed to take that deep dive into yourself, but I don't. It's just not a big deal. Feel free to say ignorance is bliss, but I know what I'm about. I know who I am.

[Bacon]

46 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

But you sound like a typical/average guy who hasn't tried to undo the generational patriarchal subconscious brainwashing we've all been forced to endure (that movies like Barbie try to explain to men in an obvious manner so the average guy can start "getting" it indicates this problem with men persists).

Barbie isn't a movie most men are going to see. At least not single men. It might be trying to explain whatever, but the people they are trying to reach aren't at the phone right now. It does no good there. Instead, the dudes are watching Bladeruner 2049 and Drive. They are watching Lord of the Rings and Master and Commander.

[Greatoneshere]

51 minutes ago, Bacon said:

This kind of stuff is why I can't bring myself to care. Or like, when I read this, I can't help but think these are issues you had to go through and so all others must be deeply convoluted deep down. I find it really strange that, from how you view it, a lot of people are brainwashed and might need to go to therapy. I think you needed to take that deep dive into yourself, but I don't. It's just not a big deal. Feel free to say ignorance is bliss, but I know what I'm about. I know who I am.

 

I don't think you have to go to therapy if you're brainwashed, per se, it helps, and I wasn't suggesting you're brain washed, but yes, when preferences fall under racial or gender lines there's always more to it. That's how patriarchy works, it's brainwashing us en masse on the gender issue and requires self-reflection, researching this stuff, reading about it, etc to undo since its done to us (and women) form birth through culture and media and parenting, etc. Therapy is one route but not the only one. My point about therapy was merely that therapy is a good example where patients go in thinking their reasoning for things is simple and superficial about stuff like this (we're not talking about pizza preferences here) when it never is. This is how human brains and human thinking works, there's always more to it subconsciously which is why introspection is so important in life. A person can even think they know what they're about and know who they are but actually not. You say you do, but couldn't explain beyond horniness and desire as reasons to interact with almost all your media in one way. That sounds problematic to me, there's definitely more there. You're saying your pathological needs are simply hormones alone? Again, that's not really how the human brain operates or how pathologies work. If you want to choose to stay, metaphorically, in Plato's cave because you're happy there, that's great, again, you do you. But you're only seeing part of the picture like those in the cave when you could see the whole thing, that's what it feels like from where I'm standing anyway. 

 

31 minutes ago, Bacon said:

Barbie isn't a movie most men are going to see. At least not single men. It might be trying to explain whatever, but the people they are trying to reach aren't at the phone right now. It does no good there. Instead, the dudes are watching Bladeruner 2049 and Drive. They are watching Lord of the Rings and Master and Commander.

 

What? This is a completely reductive view. And not true. The movie made over $600 million in theaters, and more once it hit streaming. Plenty of men (single or otherwise) had to see it. It was awarded numerous awards. Men aren't just one type as you describe. My point either way with Barbie was simply that men still aren't getting the very things I'm saying, so movies like Barbie still need to be made with the messages they contain because clearly men at large are still not getting it. Whether it reached all men is irrelevant, the point is its existence points to an ongoing and consistent brainwashing issue with men. I've seen lots of "feminist" films and movies like Barbie when I've been single, and I have single male friends that check out all kinds of different kinds of media. Your view of what makes a "single man" is like a description of a dude out of the Mad Men TV show that takes place in the 1950's. That BS machismo is long over, thank God. Men are watching all kinds of things these days, from Barbie to Oppenheimer, from Downton Abby to Reacher, from Bridgerton to Top Gear to John Wick to Disney movies to K-dramas. Picking super alpha male movies alone speaks a lot to how you see these things and certainly taps deeper into your pathology, we may even be getting somewhere here, deeper than "I like being hot dudes banging chicks at the expense of all other media" diet that you currently have.  

 

Edit: I don't want to derail the thread further though. I don't have more to really say so we can bring it back to the Game Awards. I do find your preference here highly suspect but I like you as a user and don't want to push things unnecessarily. I hope my posts at least give you some food for thought. 

 

I still feel like there were better options than Black Myth: Wukong, personally, but I haven't played it yet so maybe I'm wrong. 

[Bacon]

7 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

patriarchy

Anytime people go on about this, it just rings hollow to my ears. Might as well blame god.

 

9 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Therapy is one route but not the only one. My point about therapy was merely that therapy is a good example where patients go in thinking their reasoning for things is simple and superficial about stuff like this (we're not talking about pizza preferences here) when it never is.

Except for when it is. Therapy only works when you think something needs to change. When you want to change. That's why I said that these are issues you had to go through. Or maybe you didn't? I don't know. But from what I know, you can't just go to therapy unless you recognize an issue. While it was when I was a child, I did go to therapy for issues others saw in me.  It didn't change anything other than to keep things to myself.

 

21 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

A person can even think they know what they're about and know who they are but actually not. You say you do, but couldn't explain beyond horniness and desire as reasons to interact with almost all your media in one way. That sounds problematic to me, there's definitely more there. You're saying your pathological needs are simply hormones alone? Again, that's not really how the human brain operates or how pathologies work. 

I do know what I'm about. A Junior once asked, in my freshman year of High School, if I think I will ever change. I said no. They thought I would. I haven't. I know, I know, "of course you've changed." No, I really haven't. You may not believe that and that's fine. You may believe it and think that's sad or pathetic, and I won't disagree. I can explain beyond horniness and desire, and I feel like I already have itt. Why must it be deeper than what I have explained so far? You called a view of my reductive, but are you not reducing me and others into a fits-all ideal?

 

And I not bothered by anything yer saying. We just talkin' here. To me, this is just "shooting the shit".

 

 

[Bacon]

And, I do watch more a variety than what I posted and I don't even consider the movies I posted to be overly macho. Like, I don't even like the Conan movies at a story level. Tho, I do tend to enjoy only certain genres. The big 3 being Fantasy, War, and Sci-fi. I have almost no interest in Barbie, Oppenheimer, Downton Abby, Reacher, Bridgerton, Top Gear, John Wick, Disney movies, or K-dramas.

 

I enjoy, Saving Private Ryan, Bladerunner 2049, Taken, Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny, Breaking Bad, GoT, The Last Kingdom, District 9, Master and Commander, Daredevil, Dr. Who(haven't watched since Smith), Fallout show, and many more in those kinds of ballparks.

[Bacon]

Oh, and I'm fine with dropping the talks in here now that I've gotten the last word. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!

 

But I'm so fine with derailing. We made this thread better anyway. FUCK DA ROOLS

[Greatoneshere]

23 minutes ago, Bacon said:

Anytime people go on about this, it just rings hollow to my ears. Might as well blame god.

 

"Patriarchy" isn't some inscrutable thing, you just have to go read up on it. It's an actual thing that has been explained thoroughly. All the evidence is out there. 

 

23 minutes ago, Bacon said:

Except for when it is. Therapy only works when you think something needs to change. When you want to change. That's why I said that these are issues you had to go through. Or maybe you didn't? I don't know. But from what I know, you can't just go to therapy unless you recognize an issue. While it was when I was a child, I did go to therapy for issues others saw in me.  It didn't change anything other than to keep things to myself.

 

No, I haven't been to therapy like that and I think you're focusing too much on the therapy aspect of my posts. You're right that you do go to therapy and it only works if you actively want to change something. Going because someone told you too doesn't work. That's why I suggested just reading up on the different generations of feminist thought even in summary form and the sociological affects the way we have gendered things has entrenched us into subconscious views towards a lot of different things. This can be done through research and watching and reading up on this stuff. Like I said, one doesn't need therapy or anything, I was just using that to indicate it's a form where people discover things about themselves when they thought they already knew that aspect about themselves thoroughly. It was just about self discovery is all. 

 

23 minutes ago, Bacon said:

I do know what I'm about. A Junior once asked, in my freshman year of High School, if I think I will ever change. I said no. They thought I would. I haven't. I know, I know, "of course you've changed." No, I really haven't. You may not believe that and that's fine. You may believe it and think that's sad or pathetic, and I won't disagree. I can explain beyond horniness and desire, and I feel like I already have it. Why must it be deeper than what I have explained so far? You called a view of my reductive, but are you not reducing me and others into a fits-all ideal?

 

How exactly am I reducing you? Genuinely asking, not sure I'm understanding you there. I didn't say it must be deeper, I'm only suggesting it likely is. What if someone said they could only ever play as a white person and that's all they've ever really done? Wouldn't that immediately raise a red flag to be like: "there's something deeper going on there" and if they simply said: "it's because I'm white and it helps me relate" that would still remain highly suspect. The same logic applies here, that's why it's likely deeper (not in a malicious way, like I said it could simply be white monoculture patriarchy). And I've said you do you and be happy as you are, if you're good you're good. I just felt that there's more to be learned here and it would only benefit you ultimately to do so. Like I said, you have no obligation to do so but it could be useful/helpful (say it ultimately led you to expanding your media diet, that could be cool, etc.). 

 

23 minutes ago, Bacon said:

And I not bothered by anything yer saying. We just talkin' here. To me, this is just "shooting the shit".

 

Cool I feel the same way, not trying to push anything here, we good. 

[Bacon]

Anyway, Wukong is pretty good.  I gave it an 8. I had fun. It's souls adjacent so I was bound to have fun as long as they got the game feel right, which they did, unlike Dark Souls 2.

[Greatoneshere]

8 minutes ago, Bacon said:

And, I do watch more a variety than what I posted and I don't even consider the movies I posted to be overly macho. Like, I don't even like the Conan movies at a story level. Tho, I do tend to enjoy only certain genres. The big 3 being Fantasy, War, and Sci-fi. I have almost no interest in Barbie, Oppenheimer, Downton Abby, Reacher, Bridgerton, Top Gear, John Wick, Disney movies, or K-dramas.

 

I enjoy, Saving Private Ryan, Bladerunner 2049, Taken, Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny, Breaking Bad, GoT, The Last Kingdom, District 9, Master and Commander, Daredevil, Dr. Who(haven't watched since Smith), Fallout show, and many more in those kinds of ballparks.

 

There's a difference between a preference for different genres and a pathological preference for a specific race or gender. Even if someone had a pathological preference to only watch certain genres, I'd find even that highly weird, but not suspect, though it may indicate other things that speak to who they are. Also Blade Runner is two words!  

[Bacon]

31 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

"Patriarchy" isn't some inscrutable thing, you just have to go read up on it. It's an actual thing that has been explained thoroughly. All the evidence is out there. 

I know it is. And this is gonna sound wack, but to me, it feels as present as god or Santa. It feels like a device in which people place blame to solicit certain behaviors. I know it isn't, but that's how relevant it feels to my existence. I could be our downfall, but I /shrug. With no desire to inform myself otherwise, it's nothing.

 

31 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

How exactly am I reducing you? Genuinely asking, not sure I'm understanding you there. I didn't say it must be deeper, I'm only suggesting it likely is.

Well, it's your instance in insisting that it likely is. Maybe it isn't a reduction, but a dilution. But in suggesting that it likely is deeper, it is as if you can't believe I am not as complex as I should be. I once stated that I never wanted to die. That I wanted to live forever. I was told I was wrong about that. I am often told I am wrong about myself for some reason.

 

31 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

What if someone said they could only ever play as a white person and that's all they've ever really done? Wouldn't that immediately raise a red flag to be like: "there's something deeper going on there" and if they simply said: "it's because I'm white and it helps me relate" that would still remain highly suspect.

I mean, uh, have you seen my characters? I think the only times I've played as a black guy is in GTA. And I've only played an Asian character in Sleeping Dogs. Anime games don't count. All of my characters are white with brown hair and blue eyes with a scar on their left cheek, except for my FF14 character. They also all have facial hair. I am white with brown hair and blue eyes and have a much smaller scar, practically faded, on my left cheek. I also have facial hair. I pretty much only play a much cooler version of me when I get the chance.

 

29 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Also Bladerunner is two words!  

Is it?

[crispy4000]

It's not superficial to design the same sort of player character in every game that gives you the option.  Just like it's not superficial to always pick the good/evil options in a game given the choice.  For most people, choices for their avatars don't signify some sort of social conditioning problem or personal character flaw.

 

The exceptions are those that have some unhealthy idolization of what's on display or that is possible to do.

[Keyser_Soze]

Bacon is a person with very particular tastes in regards to everything. That's all I think.

[Biggie]

Game of the Year thread derailed by paragraph after paragraph of boring drivel. Good job!

[Spork3245]

18 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

So, uhhh… looking at that list it’s definitely astrobot unless China is a sponsor.

[Best]

3 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

So, uhhh… looking at that list it’s definitely astrobot unless China is a sponsor.

 

I think Astrobot has this locked down. But there is a small chance FF Rebirth gets it. 

[legend]

4 hours ago, Biggie said:

Game of the Year thread derailed by paragraph after paragraph of boring drivel. Good job!

 

You're describing every GotY thread.

[Best]

7 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Bacon is a person with very particular tastes in regards to everything. That's all I think.

 

This is seriously what this topic boils down to. He is a simple man with very specific tastes. He doesn't need therapy. 😆 

 

And I do appreciate @Greatoneshere thoughts on this. I read everything but now I'm late for a dr appointment.  jk

[Biggie]

3 minutes ago, legend said:

 

You're describing every GotY thread.

Yeah but it’s has nothing to do with game of the year. Some people just enjoy posting pages because it gives the impression they are so smart. 

[legend]

1 minute ago, Biggie said:

Yeah but it’s has nothing to do with game of the year.

 

Also very typical  

 

1 minute ago, Biggie said:

Some people just enjoy posting pages because it gives the impression they are so smart. 

 

Naa, I really don't think that's it. Speaking as someone who often writes lengthy posts, it's not to sound smart. It's because I either care about the topic or am frustrated by it and have consequently put a fair amount of thought into it. Whether you agree with @Greatoneshere's remarks or not, it's pretty clear to me that he's thought a lot about the topic. The length of his posts are just reflecting that.

 

Everyone here is a nerd and so we should all be understanding of being passionate about a topic that others might not be.

[Keyser_Soze]

3 minutes ago, legend said:

Whether you agree with @Greatoneshere's remarks or not, it's pretty clear to me that he's thought a lot about the topic.

 

Jokes on you. That's just a spontaneous post he came up off the top of his head. If he had put thought into it the posts would have been even longer.

[AbsolutSurgen]

Of the games on the list, my vote goes for Balatro.

[Biggie]

35 minutes ago, legend said:

 

Also very typical  

 

 

Naa, I really don't think that's it. Speaking as someone who often writes lengthy posts, it's not to sound smart. It's because I either care about the topic or am frustrated by it and have consequently put a fair amount of thought into it. Whether you agree with @Greatoneshere's remarks or not, it's pretty clear to me that he's thought a lot about the topic. The length of his posts are just reflecting that.

 

Everyone here is a nerd and so we should all be understanding of being passionate about a topic that others might not be.

[Best]

1 hour ago, Biggie said:

Yeah but it’s has nothing to do with game of the year. Some people just enjoy posting pages because it gives the impression they are so smart. 

 

Greatoneshere doesn't post lengthy responses to come off as "smart". 

 

He is a very inquisitive man who is very passionate about mental health, bigotry, and sexism". It was very clear when he was going back and forth with Phaseknox a few months back. 

 

I enjoy the diversity that this small community brings to the table.

 

And I know you're not being overly serious with your comment. 

[Bacon]

@Greatoneshere is great. It's never a bad time when we get into talks like that. 

[Biggie]

15 minutes ago, Best said:

 

Greatoneshere doesn't post lengthy responses to come off as "smart". 

 

He is a very inquisitive man who is very passionate about mental health, bigotry, and sexism". It was very clear when he was going back and forth with Phaseknox a few months back. 

 

I enjoy the diversity that this small community brings to the table.

 

And I know you're not being overly serious with your comment. 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

ITT Bacon admits to prefer looking at hot man ass for 60-80 hours per game. 

[legend]

1 hour ago, Biggie said:

 

Oh, make no mistake, I won't wait to be asked for my opinion  

[Bacon]

5 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

ITT Bacon admits to prefer looking at hot man ass for 60-80 hours per game. 

No no no. I like looking at MY hot man ass for 60-80 hours. Remember all of my characters are ME but cooler.

[DPCyric]

Wuthering Waves got nominated for mobile GOTY but honestly it's better than a few of the games that got nominated for GOTY. Some of you are really sleeping on it just because it's F2P.

[DPCyric]

@Bacon Have you played it yet?