Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I'd be looking for the nearest shelter if I was in Beirut right about now. Israel vows retaliation after soccer field strike that killed 12 children | CNN WWW.CNN.COM Israel has vowed Hezbollah will “pay the price” after blaming the Lebanese militant group for a rocket attack in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights that killed 12 children. Quote Israel’s response to the deadly rocket attack on Majdal Shams over the weekend “will be severe,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said during a visit to the town on Monday, according to a statement from his office. “These children are our children, they are the children of all of us,” Netanyahu said. “The State of Israel will not and cannot put this to rest. Our response will come, and it will be severe.” Netanyahu was accompanied by the head of Shin Bet, Ronen Bar. The two men met representatives of the bereaved families, the statement said. Israel blamed the Lebanese group Hezbollah for the rocket attack that killed 12 children in Majdal Shams, a Syrian Druze town in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. Hezbollah denies it was behind the attack. More than 20,000 Druze Arabs live in the Golan Heights, which Israel seized from Syria in 1967. Many of them identify as Syrian and have rejected an offer of Israeli citizenship. None of the people killed in Saturday’s attack held Israeli citizenship, the Regional Council of Majdal Shams told CNN. The strike was the deadliest to hit Israel or Israeli-controlled territory since the October 7 attack by Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I’m sure this will be a careful and proportional response 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I’m sure we’ll hear all about the Lebanese children who die in the counter-attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I don't think they can handle Hezbollah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 6 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: I don't think they can handle Hezbollah. Defensively? Israel could handle it if every single military and paramilitary group in the middle east attacked them all at the same time. Offensively? Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. There is no "defeating" them. Israel could level the entirety of southern Lebanon and Hezbollah would still survive, and probably come back even stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 8 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Offensively? Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. There is no "defeating" them. Israel could level the entirety of southern Lebanon and Hezbollah would still survive, and probably come back even stronger. I'd characterize Hezbollah's military capabilities as those of a paramilitary group (which happens to be significantly stronger than the actual Lebanese military) rather than those of a terrorist organization. In fact, Hezbollah operates what amounts to a "state within a state" in southern Lebanon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 49 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: I’m sure we’ll hear all about the Lebanese children who die in the counter-attack. A disingenuous criticism considering this article’s highlighting of children that died. They’re the only deaths anyone cares about if they care about any deaths at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: A disingenuous criticism considering this article’s highlighting of children that died. They’re the only deaths anyone cares about if they care about any deaths at all. I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here at all From both sides, all we'll hear about is kids dying. Dead kids are the only deaths people care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 8 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: A disingenuous criticism considering this article’s highlighting of children that died. They’re the only deaths anyone cares about if they care about any deaths at all. I was being sarcastic. As in, no one cares about Lebanese suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Uaarkson said: I was being sarcastic. As in, no one cares about Lebanese suffering. To push back a bit on this, the American media has done a far more "even-handed" job in highlighting the atrocities committed against the Palestinians by the Israeli military in the ongoing Gaza conflict than it has done in the past which in turn has had some impact on the public's perception of the issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 As long as I can still have Lebanese food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 The victims of the attack were members of the Arab Druze community. https://www.euronews.com/2024/07/29/druze-community-mourns-loss-of-12-children-after-deadly-strike-in-golan-heights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 hours ago, Bacon said: From both sides, all we'll hear about is kids dying. Dead kids are the only deaths people care about. “Thankfully” Americans have evolved past that.. This is a religious nation where the first priority is defending the sanctity of deities like Smith and Wesson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 Washington to Tel Aviv: Please Don't Bomb Beirut Quote The United States is leading a diplomatic dash to deter Israel from striking Lebanon's capital Beirut or major civil infrastructure in response to a deadly rocket attack on the Golan Heights, five people with knowledge of the drive said. Washington is racing to avert a full-blown war between Israel and the Iranian-backed Lebanese movement Hezbollah after the attack on the Israeli-occupied Golan killed 12 youths at the weekend, according to the five people who include Lebanese and Iranian officials plus Middle Eastern and European diplomats. Israel and the U.S. have blamed Hezbollah for the rocket strike, though the group has denied responsibility. The focus of the high-speed diplomacy has been to constrain Israel's response by urging it against targeting densely populated Beirut, the southern suburbs of the city that form Hezbollah's heartland, or key infrastructure like airports and bridges, said the sources who requested anonymity to discuss confidential details that haven't been previously reported. Lebanon's deputy parliament speaker Elias Bou Saab, who said he had been in contact with U.S. mediator Amos Hochstein since Saturday's Golan attack, told Reuters Israel could avert the threat of major escalation by sparing the capital and its environs. "If they avoid civilians and they avoid Beirut and its suburbs, then their attack could be well calculated," he said. Israeli officials have said that their country wants to hurt Hezbollah but not drag the region into all-out war. The two Middle Eastern and European diplomats said Israel hadn't made any commitment to avoiding strikes on Beirut, its suburbs or civil infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Wtaf is going on in Israeli politics. Just a moment... WWW.TIMESOFISRAEL.COM Quote Right-wing politicians reacted with fury and outrage, and some joined a riot led by nationalist activists, while others appealed for calm, after nine IDF soldiers were detained by Military Police investigators at the Sde Teiman base on Monday amid an investigation into alleged severe abuse against a Palestinian terror detainee. A group of far-right activists rioted outside the Sde Teiman IDF base in the south, and dozens — including Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu of Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionism MK Zvi Sukkot — broke into the facility, which is being used as a detention center for Palestinian terror suspects. Police officers later arrived at the site and began removing the protesters. It was not immediately clear how many took part and if any were arrested. .... A heated argument broke out between the Military Police investigators and soldiers at the base, and a group of far-right lawmakers and activists — spearheaded by ultra-nationalist National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir — headed toward Sde Teiman to join the fracas, outraged at the detention of the soldiers. Some of those gathered outside then broke into the base itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just more shenanigans. I was trying to get up to speed with my knowledge of right wing Israeli politics the other night and I had to just give up. The Wikipedia article reads like The Silmarillion. So many names! Groups! Factions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 10 hours ago, S3xB0t said: Just more shenanigans. I was trying to get up to speed with my knowledge of right wing Israeli politics the other night and I had to just give up. The Wikipedia article reads like The Silmarillion. So many names! Groups! Factions! Over simplified summary: the ultra-right in Israel is mostly a group of people that are ultra religious Orthodox Jews that make up a minor percentage of the population and voting block. However, since there are over 14 viable political parties in Israel, these ultra right-wing groups form coalitions into/backing a single entity (Netanyahu’s Likud party) and are able to win control with less than 25% of the overall vote in a country that has about 70-80% voter turnout. The vast majority of Israelis hate the Orthodox and often feel like they do not contribute to the country as they don’t even have to serve in the military like other Jews do via mandatory conscription after high school (this very recently changed via a Supreme Court decision that most Israelis are -ing). In short: no one likes them, but they win elections due to unity where as more moderate and left-wing parties are split into “too many options”. There are other bits and pieces to this, but, as I said in the beginning, this is an “overly simplified” version. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Spork3245 said: Over simplified summary: the ultra-right in Israel is mostly a group of people that are ultra religious Orthodox Jews that make up a minor percentage of the population and voting block. However, since there are over 14 viable political parties in Israel, these ultra right-wing groups form coalitions into/backing a single entity (Netanyahu’s Likud party) and are able to win control with less than 25% of the overall vote in a country that has about 70-80% voter turnout. The vast majority of Israelis hate the Orthodox and often feel like they do not contribute to the country as they don’t even have to serve in the military like other Jews do via mandatory conscription after high school (this very recently changed via a Supreme Court decision that most Israelis are -ing). In short: no one likes them, but they win elections due to unity where as more moderate and left-wing parties are split into “too many options”. There are other bits and pieces to this, but, as I said in the beginning, this is an “overly simplified” version. Doesn’t Israel being constantly under attack by Islamofascist terrorists also give the right-wing factions more political influence and unity of message/purpose than they would otherwise have? Just from general observation it seems to me in the (rare) times of peace the country has known it gravitates more towards the center-left than to the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Doesn’t Israel being constantly under attack by Islamofascist terrorists also give the right-wing factions more political influence and unity of message/purpose than they would otherwise have? Just from general observation it seems to me in the (rare) times of peace the country has known it gravitates more towards the center-left than to the right. No, not really. Every faction puts security as a priority. The difference comes down to how preemptive and how extreme responses may be as well as expansionist mentality, but not much else on a security-front. Politics in Israel cannot really be compared with American politics. Bibi did get control with Hamas as a boogeyman, but has only held to power from expansion of his political coalitions. For example, a failure in security (being attacked) in the US tends to cause a rally around current president (see: 9/11), whereas in Israel it’s typically a “time for you to go” response. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Spork3245 said: For example, a failure in security (being attacked) in the US tends to cause a rally around current president (see: 9/11), I really don’t see that happening anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I really don’t see that happening anymore Oh absolutely not, 49% of the general public would immediately blame the sitting president for a major terrorist attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I really don’t see that happening anymore 1 minute ago, Uaarkson said: Oh absolutely not, 49% of the general public would immediately blame the sitting president for a major terrorist attack Depends on if it’s a Democrat or a Republican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 10 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Depends on if it’s a Democrat or a Republican I think there’s some truth to this. But honestly if that Republican is Trump I don’t see the rally around the flag effect. A Romney type maybe, but not to the extent that W got deference and support after 9/11. But if it were a democrat in office? Absolutely not. Maybe even a drop in support because of the double standard dems are held to and “concerned” centrists who are scared of their own shadow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Andd a right wing mob stormed the military court house last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 It’s like looking into our future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 39 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I think there’s some truth to this. But honestly if that Republican is Trump I don’t see the rally around the flag effect. A Romney type maybe, but not to the extent that W got deference and support after 9/11. But if it were a democrat in office? Absolutely not. Maybe even a drop in support because of the double standard dems are held to and “concerned” centrists who are scared of their own shadow Trump is a weirdo so he doesn’t count. When the USS Cole was bombed, Clinton got shit. When we were attacked on home soil by terrorists hijacking multiple jetliners, Bush got praised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Bush got praised. Well of course he did. It was all a part of the plan… 🎶 9/11, 9/11, what went down with building sevennn 🎶 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 20 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Washington to Tel Aviv: Please Don't Bomb Beirut So much for that... Explosion hits Beirut suburb as Israel says it carries out strike WWW.BBC.COM At least one explosion has hit the southern suburb of the Lebanese capital, Beirut, which is a base for the Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah. Quote Israel confirms it has carried out a 'targeted' strike Israel's army says it has carried out a strike in Beirut, targeting the Hezbollah commander it says was responsible for the attack on the Golan Heights. Some 12 children and young adults were killed in a rocket strike while playing football in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Saturday. The country's air force has blamed the Iran-backed militant group for Saturday's strike on the Druze town of Majdal Shams, but Hezbollah has strongly denied any involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Turns out it was a children’s hospital full of food aid workers, Red Cross and UN peacekeepers. Whoops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Uaarkson said: Turns out it was a children’s hospital full of food aid workers, Red Cross and UN peacekeepers. Whoops! You misspelled human shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 مصدر أمني يؤكد لـmtv وفاة القيادي العسكري في حزب الله فؤاد شكر WWW.MTV.COM.LB مصدر أمني يؤكد لـmtv وفاة القيادي العسكري في حزب الله فؤاد شكر Confirmation that Fuad Shukr, the military leader of Hezbollah has been killed by an Israeli airstrike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 He is (or I should say "was") a senior Hezbollah military leader, but not the military leader of the armed wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 39 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: He is (or I should say "was") a senior Hezbollah military leader, but not the military leader of the armed wing. So Hezbollah HR will have him replaced by the end of business tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 12 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: So Hezbollah HR will have him replaced by the end of business tomorrow? Nasrallah probably called up the next in command and said, "You're up, dude!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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