CitizenVectron Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I believe this will raise the retirement age to 64 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). There were already mass protests in Jan when it was proposed. Now that he's doing it without a vote... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unogueen Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Cracking legacy there moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Sanitation workers retirement age will increase from 57 to 59, others from 62 to 64. If you don't have kids to work and pay for the pensions, you can't all retire young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I have a therapist mandated and approved mission to visit ny grabdna's grave and see what's good with my ex-wife. I am happy to say I was wrong and found a better cause helping a socialist revolution in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Clearly, not being able to retire with a government pension at 62 (or 57) is something you should riot over. We should increase taxes on the young people (that have no hope of retiring at that age) to ensure the boomers can continue to retire early! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Sounds like a math problem that even France can't solve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unogueen Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Let's just fucking walk back that people didn't see this coming. It's been true since I was a 90s teen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I don’t care what the French do and neither should you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Riots in France? Is it Thursday already? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Eh, I do think Marcon is probably right, the fund can’t remain solvent, but still, tear it all down. Good chance LaPen uses this to her advantage and wins the next election by continuing to pretend she’s a populist. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 hours ago, TheShader said: Riots in France? Is it Thursday already? I was confused when I realized that PSG have already been eliminated from the Champions League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Comet said: I was confused when I realized that PSG have already been eliminated from the Champions League I don't think they have any teams in the Europa or Conference leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Zaku3 said: I don't think they have any teams in the Europa or Conference leagues. Nice is still alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Pensions? What are those? I think my dad mentioned having one, once, but he could have been talking about an old car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Pensions? What are those? I think my dad mentioned having one, once, but he could have been talking about an old car... My mom's pension from Passaic county is insanely good. Once she pays her pension loan which should be this month or next month. 6k monthly until she dies and there seems to be some type of survivor's benefit. Don't have the details but if I decide to move to be with my ex I'll be aight one way or another. I could have gone to college and gotteb one myself but depression and anxiety basically fucked up my life. I have one from VZ. I think full pension is 20 more years for me. I just don't derive enough happiness from my life LTD so I need something bigger then myself to want to hit that 20 years. Also grim dark 20 years is a long time and I don't think our status quo had 20 years in it which is another concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 French anger spreads after Macron forces pension age rise | France | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Strikes escalate and MPs call for protection as interior minister warns protesters against wreaking havoc Quote Refinery strikes have escalated in France as the interior minister spoke of protesters wreaking havoc across the country and some MPs called for police protection, amid anger at the government pushing through a rise in the pension age without a parliamentary vote. More than 300 people were arrested across France overnight during spontaneous protests against Emmanuel Macron’s decision to bypass parliament and force through his unpopular pensions changes, including raising the eligible age from 62 to 64. Macron instructed the prime minister, Élisabeth Borne, to invoke article 49.3 of the constitution, which allows the government to adopt a bill without a parliamentary vote, because he said there was too much economic risk to the country if MPs voted against the bill. As opposition politicians accused the government of a brutal and undemocratic approach, demonstrators gathered in cities such as Paris and Rennes and smaller towns such as Laval and Évreux. About 200 protesters briefly blocked traffic on the Paris ring road early on Friday morning. In Bordeaux, dozens of protesters stood on the tracks at the main train station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The sequel no one expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/16/2023 at 5:29 PM, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I don’t care what the French do and neither should you I dunno I kind of appreciate that they actually riot their government tries to fuck them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 15 hours ago, Jason said: I dunno I kind of appreciate that they actually riot their government tries to fuck them. Yes I do like that about them. We should do that but I guess not everyone has enough paid time off to miss work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Zaku3 said: Yes I do like that about them. We should do that but I guess not everyone has enough paid time off to miss work. Well, that and going to protest the government/riot is a lot easier when your country is a lot smaller, segmented into fewer regions/cities, and you can take an afternoon train from the farthest reaches to the center of government. Me going to protest the government vs the people in sexy ass Brest going to protest the government, both via public transportation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Well, that and going to protest the government/riot is a lot easier when your country is a lot smaller, segmented into fewer regions/cities, and you can take an afternoon train from the farthest reaches to the center of government. Me going to protest the government vs the people in sexy ass Brest going to protest the government, both via public transportation. Thank you. It's easy to forget geographical issues. (Note to self need to figure out revolution transportation issues ahead of time.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 19, 2023 Author Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Xbob42 said: Well, that and going to protest the government/riot is a lot easier when your country is a lot smaller, segmented into fewer regions/cities, and you can take an afternoon train from the farthest reaches to the center of government. Me going to protest the government vs the people in sexy ass Brest going to protest the government, both via public transportation. 59 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: Thank you. It's easy to forget geographical issues. (Note to self need to figure out revolution transportation issues ahead of time.) At the same time...how many people live within 4 hours of the US capital vs 4 hours to the French capital? The latter might be higher, but I doubt it. So yes, a certain % of the population will find it easier to protest in Paris, but in absolute numbers I'd say the US would easily match it. NYC to DC is <4 hours by car, theoretically, and faster by train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Hell I live 90 miles from the U.S. capital and there’s days I’m 4 or more hours away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Hell I live 90 miles from the U.S. capital and there’s days I’m 4 or more hours away Almost as if mass transit is more efficient then every family needs multiple cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 19 hours ago, Jason said: I dunno I kind of appreciate that they actually riot their government tries to fuck them. I mean, the BLM protests were estimated to be around 26 million people. That's around 1/3 the entire population of France. The largest French protest was estimated to be around a million people, and most are far below that, like 100k-200k. Along with pure distance like others have mentioned, our government is just so damn decentralized on every level. The federal government alone has almost 600 elected members, and when you go to state, county, and city governments you have literally hundreds of thousands of politicians. Any given issue wouldn't even be solved if our millions of protestor were focused on DC, because there's still tens to hundreds of thousands of politicians across the country all perpetuating the systemic issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Americans: We need our fully automatic rifles with 50 round mags to hold the Government back from trampling over us. Sometimes you need to sacrifice a few dozen kids in the name of freedom. France: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, SimpleG said: Americans: We need our fully automatic rifles with 50 round mags to hold the Government back from trampling over us. Sometimes you need to sacrifice a few dozen kids in the name of freedom. France: TBH if they don't get their demands the next step should be guns. People are clearly not happy about this. The authority of the state is it's supposed to represent the citizens of that state. I fail to see why making the lives of your citizens worse is a desirable outcome. This is a certified rotten "dictatorship of the bougiose" moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Zaku3 said: TBH if they don't get their demands the next step should be guns. People are clearly not happy about this. The authority of the state is it's supposed to represent the citizens of that state. I fail to see why making the lives of your citizens worse is a desirable outcome. This is a certified rotten "dictatorship of the bougiose" moment. In other words 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 France's Macron faces no-confidence vote as protestors arrested, refinery strikes continue WWW.CNBC.COM The French government faces two no confidence motions Monday afternoon over its pension system changes. Quote The government of French President Emmanuel Macron faces a no-confidence vote Monday afternoon, as furious opposition lawmakers contest his decision to force changes to the pension system through parliament without a poll. Two no-confidence motions have been filed — one by a coalition of centrist and left-wing parties, and a second by the far-right National Rally, which is expected to also back the former. Analysts told CNBC on Friday that Macron’s opponents were unlikely to reach the required 287 out of 577 votes. But the vote is expected to be tight and could lead to the resignation of Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne, who announced the government’s intention to use the special constitutional measure to pass the long-standing plan to raise the retirement age. If the no-confidence vote fails, the bill will go through and lift the retirement age of most workers from 62 to 64 by 2030. Much will hinge on how many members of the center-right Les Republicains party break ranks and vote against the government. The party’s deputy leader was fired last month for failing to back Macron’s pension reform plan, which passed in the upper house of parliament — the Senate — on March 12. Macron calculated he did not have the votes to see the legislation through the lower house of the National Assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Gonna be an interesting week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 France pension reform: Macron's government survives no-confidence vote WWW.BBC.COM More than 100 people are arrested after protests across Paris following Monday's vote. Quote The French government has narrowly survived a vote of no-confidence, which was triggered when it forced through an increase in the pension age to 64. It sparked new anti-government protests in Paris, where 101 people were arrested after stand-offs with police. The vote, tabled by centrist MPs, had 278 votes in favour, falling short of the 287 votes needed. Had it been successful, President Emmanuel Macron would have had to name a new government or call new elections. A second no-confidence motion, tabled by Marine Le Pen's far-right National Rally party, also did not pass. Now both votes have failed, the controversial bill to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64 will become law. The votes were held after Prime Minister Élisabeth Borne used a special constitutional power, called Article 49:3, to push the bill through without a vote last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unogueen Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 If trump manages a push things are going to get weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I was talking to my cousin yesterday, she is leaving today for a French river cruise and was alerted that they won’t be on the river for most of the cruise due to strikes shutting down some of the river operations. She was being a good sport about it, despite it being a trip she’s saved for over the last 10 years to celebrate HER retirement 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 I support pretty much every strike that could possibly exist, and I say this as a person who has recently entered management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I support pretty much every strike that could possibly exist, and I say this as a person who has recently entered management. Marry me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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