PC Nvidia - Geforce Beyond (EVGA) Event

[crispy4000]

56 minutes ago, best3444 said:

 

Yea but at what dollar amount needs to be spent in order for your PC to be a ridiculous leap over PS5 and XSX?

 

A buttload until prices drop considerably, for a 40xx series card at least.  But the leap is so large now that it’s also hard to see a PS5 Pro or Series X+ hit the same way as last gen.  
 

Reconstruction was the secret console sauce midgen.  Now the consoles are way behind there too.

[unogueen]

Nvidia driving prosumer hard. productivity wise they've been on a boom.  No wonder the price eats it lol

[best3444]

23 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

 

A buttload until prices drop considerably, for a 40xx series card at least.  But the leap is so large now that it’s also hard to see a PS5 Pro or Series X+ hit the same way as last gen.  
 

Reconstruction was the secret console sauce midgen.  Now the consoles are way behind there too.

 

Thanks for the explanation. Do you feel console games hinder and limit what badass PC's can actually do?

[Mr.Vic20]

1 minute ago, best3444 said:

 

Thanks for the explanation. Do you feel console games hinder and limit what badass PC's can actually do?

Yes. From a raw technical perspective, yes. 

[best3444]

Just now, Mr.Vic20 said:

Yes. From a raw technical perspective, yes. 

 

That's unfortunate but at least some of you guys on here can run console games at ridiculous framerates and resolution. I may go back to PC gaming the next generation. I used to love modding etc on my PC back in the 360 era.

[HGLatinBoy]

@Mr.Vic20 what brand are you going with this time?

 

also what kind of 3090 do you have now?

[Mr.Vic20]

4 minutes ago, HGLatinBoy said:

@Mr.Vic20 what brand are you going with this time?

 

also what kind of 3090 do you have now?

I have an FE and will get Nvidia's 4090 FE as well. Looks like I'm shipping you the 3090 in Oct! 

[HGLatinBoy]

Yay! Been waiting patiently since the 2080 came out!

[jaethos]

4 hours ago, stepee said:

Yeah looking at the specs the 12gb model is really a 4080 Lite version, less cores and bandwidth and draws less power. The real deal then is a $500 price increase over the 3080. Damn. Or I guess you could be charitable and pretend the 16gb is the TI version but ehhh.

The more recent rumors, that ended up being spot on with these specs, said that the 4080 12gb was originally intended to be the 4070 and that it uses the next chip down the stack rather than a more cut down version of the 4090/4080 chip.

 

These prices have me much more ok with the 3080 12gb I bought a month and a half ago. I'll wait until next year and hopefully 40 series deals will be available. That or maybe RDNA3 will actually be amazing.

[stepee]

11 minutes ago, jaethos said:

The more recent rumors, that ended up being spot on with these specs, said that the 4080 12gb was originally intended to be the 4070 and that it uses the next chip down the stack rather than a more cut down version of the 4090/4080 chip.

 

These prices have me much more ok with the 3080 12gb I bought a month and a half ago. I'll wait until next year and hopefully 40 series deals will be available. That or maybe RDNA3 will actually be amazing.

 

Luckily I was already able to justify this in my head by figuring well I’ll get $500 for my 3080 ftw3 so its realllly only $700 like last time :P

[Brian]

7 minutes ago, stepee said:

 

Luckily I was already able to justify this in my head by figuring well I’ll get $500 for my 3080 ftw3 so its realllly only $700 like last time :P

That’s some @Zaku3 logic

[TwinIon]

Since I never ended up with a 30x, I’m glad to see that The 40 series seems to be a decent jump. Hopefully a 4080 will be possible to get. Now to decide if I’m going to get a 12GB or 16GB. Excited to see the benchmarks.

[legend]

3 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

Here is the dirty truth:

 

 

 

I'm going to try to hold strong until reviews come out. 

 

Naturally, these bastards had to also have TW3 in the supported game list for DLSS 3.0. It's like they're goading me, specifically.

[Mr.Vic20]

Just now, legend said:

 

I'm going to try to hold strong until reviews come out. 

 

Naturally, these bastards had to also have TW3 in the supported game list for DLSS 3.0. It's like they're goading me, specifically.

The have a cruelty AI too... 

[stepee]

32 minutes ago, legend said:

 

I'm going to try to hold strong until reviews come out. 

 

Naturally, these bastards had to also have TW3 in the supported game list for DLSS 3.0. It's like they're goading me, specifically.

 

you are definitely getting one :P

[stepee]

2 hours ago, best3444 said:

 

Thanks for the explanation. Do you feel console games hinder and limit what badass PC's can actually do?

 

With the 4000 series, when talking with dlss3 and ray tracing, you are looking at a gap vs ps5/xsx similar to ps5 vs ps4. Nvidia is basically now a generation apart in power. But that’s a 4080 or above we are talking about. It’s not what most pc gamers have, which is something closer to console spec.

 

But yeah if a game were designed around the 4080 as a minimum requirement, you would see something you won’t actually see for another 5 years or so.

 

The good news is this is only 2 years in and due to advances with AI we are seeing extreme gains that will continue over the next 5 years until the next gen. Picture what a huge processing gain there will be next gen. Unless AMD simply can’t catch up and console manufacturers stick with them still we are probably looking at much more than an 8x gain in processing power next gen.

 

The further good news is, you can always come back to pc land  

 

Shit is about to get live, I’m pretty hyped with the potential here. 

[crispy4000]

2 hours ago, best3444 said:

 

Thanks for the explanation. Do you feel console games hinder and limit what badass PC's can actually do?

Cross gen is holding everyone back, so in that sense of needing to support PS4 and such, absolutely.

 

Raytracing hasn’t really been pushed in a big way in AAA games other than Control and Cyperpunk (especially now, that new footage is super impressive).  It’s telling how much less impressive those games are on consoles.  Insomniac’s doing the good work in showing what can be achieved on the platforms.  But it’s still far from where the tech could be by now, even with 30xx series GPUs. This isn’t just a PC vs console  thing by the way, but also a general NVIDIA vs AMD thing, since the latter vendor’s GPUs push raw rasterization more than RT capability.  Then there was the chip shortage making RTX cards harder to come by…

 

In terms of upscaling, DLSS 2.0+ was already a notable step up from consoles’ temporal upscaling methods, both in quality and performance.  FSR 2.1 would have substantially lessened that gap, thankfully.  But with DLSS 3.0 now generating frames between frames, NVIDIA is leapfrogging everyone again.  There is always a possibility Pro versions of the consoles do something like it, and that’s honestly the way to go if they want to be seen as a value.  Either way, a 40xx series GPU can be expected to last you a long ass time.

 

And then there’s UE5.  It’s rough on the CPU.  There’s lingering questions of how the current gen consoles will run in AAA games like Witcher 4.  Gotta give the consoles credit for pushing the SSD further.  But even with that, there’s likely to be console limitations 40xx cards with DLSS 3.0 wouldn’t break a sweat over.

 

 

[best3444]

9 minutes ago, stepee said:

 

With the 4000 series, when talking with dlss3 and ray tracing, you are looking at a gap vs ps5/xsx similar to ps5 vs ps4. Nvidia is basically now a generation apart in power. But that’s a 4080 or above we are talking about. It’s not what most pc gamers have, which is something closer to console spec.

 

But yeah if a game were designed around the 4080 as a minimum requirement, you would see something you won’t actually see for another 5 years or so.

 

The good news is this is only 2 years in and due to advances with AI we are seeing extreme gains that will continue over the next 5 years until the next gen. Picture what a huge processing gain there will be next gen. Unless AMD simply can’t catch up and console manufacturers stick with them still we are probably looking at much more than an 8x gain in processing power next gen.

 

The further good news is, you can always come back to pc land  

 

Shit is about to get live, I’m pretty hyped with the potential here. 

 

Omg! I had know idea that the gap is going to be that massive soon. I will definitely be joining the dark side next gen for sure. I am a graphics whore and by the time I get back into it it will be even more amazing.

 

I'm just going to need a lot of help from you guys on here. 

 

11 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

Cross gen is holding everyone back, so in that sense of needing to support PS4 and such, absolutely.

 

Raytracing hasn’t really been pushed in a big way in AAA games other than Control and Cyperpunk (especially now, that new footage is super impressive).  It’s telling how much less impressive those games are on consoles.  Insomniac’s doing the good work in showing what can be achieved on the platforms.  But it’s still far from where the tech could be by now, even with 30xx series GPUs. This isn’t just a PC vs console  thing by the way, but also a general NVIDIA vs AMD thing, since the latter vendor’s GPUs push raw rasterization more than RT capability.  Then there was the chip shortage making RTX cards harder to come by…

 

In terms of traditional rendering, DLSS 2.0+ was already a notable step up from consoles’ temporal upscaling methods, both in quality and performance.  FSR 2.1 would have substantially lessened that gap, thankfully.  But with DLSS 3.0 now generating frames between frames, NVIDIA is leapfrogging everyone again.  There is always a possibility Pro versions of the consoles do something like it, and that’s honestly the way to go if they want to be seen as a value.  Either way, a 40xx series GPU can be expected to last you a long ass time.

 

And then there’s UE5.  It’s rough on the CPU.  There’s lingering questions of how the current gen consoles will run in AAA games like Witcher 4.  Gotta give the consoles credit for pushing the SSD further.  But even with that, there’s likely to be console limitations 40xx cards with DLSS 3.0 wouldn’t break a sweat over.

 

 

 

That was a lot to process but I get the basics. Thanks for that write up.

[stepee]

It’s also crazy how many rtx remix games I’m going to be playing streaming to my deck.

 

Being a pc gamer rules so hard right now.

[legend]

3 minutes ago, stepee said:

It’s also crazy how many rtx remix games I’m going to be playing streaming to my deck.

 

Being a pc gamer rules so hard right now.

 

 

PC is even getting what would normally be first party exclusives!

[stepee]

3 minutes ago, legend said:

 

 

PC is even getting what would normally be first party exclusives!

 

Don’t hear about pc gaming dying much anymore do we!

[Zaku3]

57 minutes ago, stepee said:

 

Don’t hear about pc gaming dying much anymore do we!

 

I miss those days. Though some people are complaining about it again due to the prices. I'd probably just switch to prebuilds if it ever got too expensive. 

[stepee]

24 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

 

I miss those days. Though some people are complaining about it again due to the prices. I'd probably just switch to prebuilds if it ever got too expensive. 

 

The prices may be high, but so are the gains. these are silly expensive but also they perform like they are worth the money. It’s really more of a question of did we even need this line to be this powerful. I say yes, always. Soon you’ll be able to get a $400 gpu on ebay that’ll destroy the current gen systems, no reason to complain in a way since you can still get a lot of power for cheap.

[crispy4000]

1 hour ago, stepee said:

 

The prices may be high, but so are the gains. these are silly expensive but also they perform like they are worth the money. 

I’d just want to build something that will last me longer than any console generation should have a right to.  That’s worth the money for me to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a rig than a (mid gen) console.

 

Cards will still have to go down in price for me to bite.  But I’m pretty sure something from this line will be what I eventually ride with.  The promise of DLSS 3.0 sounds too good for longevity.

[Keyser_Soze]

3 hours ago, best3444 said:

Omg! I had know idea that the gap is going to be that massive soon. I will definitely be joining the dark side next gen for sure. I am a graphics whore and by the time I get back into it it will be even more amazing.

 

Wasn't it just last week when I said you should get a PC and you shot me down? I guess I was just ahead of the curve.

[Massdriver]

DLSS 3.0 is very impressive. These prices are garbage. AMD won’t be much better. I’m hoping Intel can get their act together to give everyone another option. 
 

My guess is AMD will beat nvidia in rasterization performance per watt and surprise everyone, but they won’t have an answer to DLSS 3. They will probably have some PowerPoints for FSR 3 and it won’t be released for another 9 months or more and will only increase performance incrementally. I get the feeling fsr’s approach will hit a wall sooner than DLSS, but RDNA 3 is also the first competitively financed architecture AMD has released in a 10+ years. AMD shouldn’t be underestimated. So let’s see what they got.  

[best3444]

2 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Wasn't it just last week when I said you should get a PC and you shot me down? I guess I was just ahead of the curve.

 

I can't get one now. I probably shut it down. because I can't afford that right now.

[Xbob42]

Dunno if anyone linked it, but...

 

 

 

8k/60 FPS with ray tracing in Spider-Man. Insane.

 

4k/120 on Cyberpunk with maxed out Psycho settings + max RT. (but not new maxed RT overdrive options)

[Zaku3]

Guys we are NOT the same. You want better AMD cards to lower the price on Nvidia cards. I want Nvidia to lower it's prices so I can buy cheaper AMD cards.

[Mr.Vic20]

6 hours ago, Xbob42 said:

Dunno if anyone linked it, but...

 

 

 

8k/60 FPS with ray tracing in Spider-Man. Insane.

 

4k/120 on Cyberpunk with maxed out Psycho settings + max RT. (but not new maxed RT overdrive options)

Finally, the excuse I needed for an 8K TV! 

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

Finally, the excuse I needed for another 8K TV! 

 

Fixed

[Spork3245]

Oh, so DLSS 3 is adding frames to smooth the image along with the AI upscale? That's the impression the DF video gave me. (like interpolation/smoothing on TVs but... not shitty)

[crispy4000]

22 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Oh, so DLSS 3 is adding frames to smooth the image along with the AI upscale? That's the impression the DF video gave me. (like interpolation/smoothing on TVs but... not shitty)

It's using AI upscaling to generate in-between frames.  It has to render one frame ahead to do that, which means Reflex tries to make up for the input lag.

 

I think that's on top of standard DLSS 2.2 stuff as well?

[Spork3245]

Just now, crispy4000 said:

It's using AI upscaling to generate in-between frames.  It has to render one frame ahead to do that, which means Reflex tries to make up for the input lag.

 

That's what I'm asking; is it essentially adding frames to get the higher framerate?

[crispy4000]

1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

 

That's what I'm asking; is it essentially adding frames to get the higher framerate?

 

Yes.  And using AI to do it, which is why CPU limited games will still benefit.