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Pentiment (Obsidian | medieval mystery RPG | videogame version of "The Name of the Rose" or an Oliver Pötzsch novel) - update: "The Making of Pentiment" (Noclip documentary)

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1 hour ago, Brian said:

@Microsoft and @valve can we please get a native Game Pass support for the deck? 
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for fucks sake seriously 

 

Edit: At least if you are still planning a desktop or laptop next year, then you can use moonlight for streaming (make sure to get nvidia so you can use this) to play game pass on deck which is pretty much the same as playing native except it looks better but you do then lose the easy resume functionality which is the biggest downside. 

 

This, like Dreamlight Valley, seem like games I really want proper resume for though, so yeah MS needs to do this asap.

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15 hours ago, BloodyHell said:

They did say they would work to get gamepass running on it. Probably working on it already. The Steam Deck is popular.

You can get game pass games working on the Deck OS but it’s streaming through the edge browser. I want native support so I can download the games. 

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6 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

The article doesn't mention it but there is also a dude in the forest who's not white

 

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Pentiment Proves a Great Point About Diversity in Historically Grounded Games

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Pentiment’s medieval European setting still has diverse characters while feeling authentic, contrasting other historically grounded games.

 

Yup, he's a coal burner. Theres also a Jewish family with rough story too.

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5 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:
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Critically-Acclaimed Xbox Game Pass Game is Being Review Bombed

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A newly added Xbox Game Pass game that earned widespread positive reviews from professional critics is being review bombed.

 

Sony fanboys (and thats what this is) are idiots. I don't get why metacritic doesn't at least filter out reviews that aren't relevant. 

Like, a "0" review on a game like this just isn't legit.

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I don't get why metacritic doesn't at least filter out reviews that aren't relevant. 

Because NONE of these reviews are relevant. If they start filtering out fanboy reviews, the whole system would collapse. The videogame journalism/review industry has always been a joke compared to other industries and I've been eagerly waiting for it to mature but it probably never will. I mean there are actual videogame journalists out there who are fanboys. The movie industry has this too but fanboys are far less important there than with games. I would HATE to be a developer whose actual financial bonuses are based on review averages in this fucked up landscape. I've lost count of how many reviews I've seen over the years that were just flat out wrong. Not a difference of opinion... FACTUALLY WRONG and it amazes me that adult gamers STILL take this shit seriously. Okay that's the end of my rant... btw I had little to no interest in this game but after seeing that story and the one @Keyser_Soze posted, I downloaded it immediately. Will try it out later.

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42 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Because NONE of these reviews are relevant. If they start filtering out fanboy reviews, the whole system would collapse. The videogame journalism/review industry has always been a joke compared to other industries and I've been eagerly waiting for it to mature but it probably never will. I mean there are actual videogame journalists out there who are fanboys. The movie industry has this too but fanboys are far less important there than with games. I would HATE to be a developer whose actual financial bonuses are based on review averages in this fucked up landscape. I've lost count of how many reviews I've seen over the years that were just flat out wrong. Not a difference of opinion... FACTUALLY WRONG and it amazes me that adult gamers STILL take this shit seriously. Okay that's the end of my rant... btw I had little to no interest in this game but after seeing that story and the one @Keyser_Soze posted, I downloaded it immediately. Will try it out later.

Oh, I've seen reviews at large sites come up with the most horrid stuff. One review for Returnal complained about the use of the word Xenos and aliens, saying it was triggering to refugees! The word "Xenos" and "Alien" in reference to actual Alien life. 

 

If for some absurd reason, you want to write that article, fine. Its still moronic, but have at it. But a review? It has nothing at all to do with the game, whatsoever. 

 

Anyway, when a fellow game journalist called it out, saying games journalists need to do better, she had a fit and accused him of transphobia (He didn't know her, or that she was trans) for criticising her criticism, attacked multiple popular figures who didn't even mention it, and threatened to quit gaming. These are the people in the games journalism business. People like that don't care about games, they want a platform. 

 

And if a relevant person suggests theres a problem with gaming journalism? Immediately attacked. 

 

I mean, we have the guy at IGN who gave TLoU2 a 10 suddenly working for Naughty Dog. Even if theres nothing untoward, and nepotism isn't involved, it looks incredibly bad. Allanah Pearce at Santa Monica too. 

Imagine if a well known movie reviewer had gone to work for Spielberg after reviewing his movies? There would be outrage in the movie enthusiast community.

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On 11/22/2022 at 7:15 AM, Keyser_Soze said:

The article doesn't mention it but there is also a dude in the forest who's not white

 

He's Roma which is the kinda/sorta the "expected" non-white character in a game set during the early Renaissance.

 

The completely "unexpected" and absolutely welcomed non-white characters are the ones like the Ethiopian priest that you meet at the start of the game!

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7 hours ago, Bloodporne said:

I've had so little time for gaming unfortunately that I haven't been able to play yet but can't wait, thread is a good reminder every time I see it bumped. Since we talked about Pötzsch etc., how're you liking it @Commissar SFLUFAN?

 

I'm only a couple of hours into Pentiment so far as I decided to finish the absolutely magnificent Signalis first, but I've genuinely enjoyed what I've played so far!

 

As expected, the actual gameplay is pretty simplistic, but that's totally fine as it's very much in service of the story and the setting!

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2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

I'm only a couple of hours into Pentiment so far as I decided to finish the absolutely magnificent Signalis first, but I've genuinely enjoyed what I've played so far!

 

As expected, the actual gameplay is pretty simplistic, but that's totally fine as it's very much in service of the story and the setting!

Yea I mean Disco Elysium was fucking amazing and it's more like an interactive novel or something.

 

Also, nice on Signalis. I forgot if I had asked in that thread if you had any theories on the story?

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3 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

Also, nice on Signalis. I forgot if I had asked in that thread if you had any theories on the story?

 

I did have some really basic, not particularly well-developed ideas about the story but couldn't put all the pieces together in anything resembling a coherent fashion which is why I went searching for the more in-depth interpretations/analyses from Reddit and the Steam Community which I posted in the thread!

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10 hours ago, legend said:

I’m well into the final act now. Been playing with my wife. It’s been pretty engaging and existential! Will be interesting to see how they conclude it.

 

Same.

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I really didn't expect the twist at the end of the 2nd chapter at all.

I absolutely love this.

 

Edit: shit  if I spoiled this for anyone, im really sorry, it wasn't my intention at all. A lot on my mind with my grandfather, and just not thinking at all this morning.

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8 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Just finished the first act. I think I'm ok with my choice

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I persuaded the archbishop to kill Lucky.
I didn't have all the evidence on him but I did on the Nun and the Widow but didn't think they did it

 

I'm not far into act 2 but I have an inkling of where this might be headed. 🤔

I made the same choice in the first act, for the same reasons. I actually had evidence that pointed to the person you chose, as well

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As one of the priests in scriptorium (the one in charge). But he buried something in a grave that I didn't have time to dig up, so lucky got it in the end.

 

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Man... I absolutely behaved like an ass in the first act and just sentenced an innocent person to death. I told that fucking archdeacon EVERYthing like a wimp.

 

Feels bad when you see their head roll.

 

Also, man am I relieved to see that that wasn't the entire game. Was about to get mad.

 

I'm definitely enjoying it so far but will admit a lot of that is down to the amazing art. I think it's good but definitely a bit tedious at points since there is much small talk and it's not nearly as consistently interesting conversation-wise as Disco Elysium for example.

 

I also wish this had more music. The ambient sound design is great but it often sounds like the music is just turned off to me?

 

I'll wait to judge it until I'm finished but not really quite as engaging nor great as I expected so far.

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On 11/27/2022 at 9:31 PM, BloodyHell said:

I made the same choice in the first act, for the same reasons. I actually had evidence that pointed to the person you chose, as well

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That's exactly who I sent to the grave, person you mentioned in the spoilers.

 

Edit: Also, might be looking at this the wrong way but I find the "skill checks" in this game and the time limit frustrating. I've literally only passed a single skill check, if you can call them that. I'm not making dumb choices dialog-wise, as in just picking annoying answers to see what happens etc., and to me, much of what ends up showing on the list as detrimental and/or positive just doesn't seem to make much sense. Like last night I was asked to 

 

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investigate Martin. I go talk to him and I'm locked into a conversation that suddenly makes me commit to accusing him of being an imposter. I didn't realize that I should've talked to several people prior to checking in with him but there was no answer that could've gotten me out of this and come back later when I realized what was going on. Instead, I failed despite having all blue "positive" arrows but apparently not enough? This locked me out of the entire Martin investigation. 

I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong but it seems really easy to lock yourself out of entire quest lines and like I said, I've exclusively failed the skill checks except one. 

 

Maybe the game expects me to play it several times? Maybe the idea is to feel like you're just bumbling around much like Andreas himself but yeah, it's a bit frustrating. Also, I didn't really fully understand the game's overall structure and system in the beginning and inadvertently wasted time not understanding how limited time really is and how many questlines there are. I had locked myself out of a ton of shit without knowing it. 

 

That being said, it's a rare game that gets better as it goes and I've come to really enjoy the characters and had a genuine reaction and sadness for a moment when 

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Andreas ran into the fire

 

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Big ass patch dropped

 

We are happy to let you all know that patch 1.1 for Pentiment is now available to download. This patch includes the following:

 

  • Endris has a new minigame that can be found at the beginning of Act 1
  • Logic issue with the Final Day of Law and Judgment has been fixed to prevent people from being condemned if they were never accused
  • Telling Father Gernot your evidence against a character in Act II will no longer automatically prevent you from speaking with that character in the future. There is now a Persuade check in place that can allow the conversation to continue.
  • Credits have been adjusted and updated to contain various additions and fixes
  • Parallax has been added to the meadow
  • Credits speed can now be adjusted, speeding up, slowing down, pausing, or reversing
  • You can now skip the intro
  • Created hybrid input option that keeps mouse active when using keyboard and mouse
  • Added an instant dialogue display option
  • Fixed bugs with the input mapper
  • Various Bug Fixes and Improvements

 

Glad they fixed the keyboard and mouse thing, it was always annoying that you could only use one or the other at the same time.

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@Bloodporne - no argument from me with how seemingly obtuse/inscrutable the game's "dialogue check" system genuinely appears to be.  Just as you described, I've experienced instances where I've had an overwhelming majority of blue "positive"" arrows but still somehow failed the dialogue check and I was pretty sure that I did speak with enough other NPCs to have had enough information to pass the check though I could very well be incorrect in that assumption!  I really do think that you have to pay close attention to what is said during conversations with NPCs as well as what's written in the journal in order to have some chance at successfully passing the dialogue checks.

 

The game is definitely intended to be played through multiple times as I think that you simply don't have enough time to fully explore every quest option in either the first or second acts.  Also, there are achievements/trophies that are directly tied to having specific backgrounds/traits selected at character creation.  I'm enjoying my time with the game well enough to give it another playthrough (or two), but I'm not sure if I'm actually going to change my ultimate decisions for either the first or second act as those choices that I made somehow feel "correct" to me even though I have absolutely no empirical evidence to support that claim!

 

I will say that I'm very pleased with the way the game's writers approach the subject of religion and the faith/beliefs of the characters.  The writers really do seem to have recognized the significant role that religious faith played in the lives of ordinary people during this period of history and therefore depict this role respectfully and seriously.  This isn't to say that the writers are uncritical of the Church itself and its hypocrisy, corruption, etc. but they draw the important distinction between the acts of the Church and its ecclesiastical hierarchy and the faith/beliefs of the townspeople.  That's a balancing act that the Obsidian writers should be proud of themselves for having pulled off! :clap:

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11 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

@Bloodporne - no argument from me with how seemingly obtuse/inscrutable the game's "dialogue check" system genuinely appears to be.  Just as you described, I've experienced instances where I've had an overwhelming majority of blue "positive"" arrows but still somehow failed the dialogue check and I was pretty sure that I did speak with enough other NPCs to have had enough information to pass the check though I could very well be incorrect in that assumption!  I really do think that you have to pay close attention to what is said during conversations with NPCs as well as what's written in the journal in order to have some chance at successfully passing the dialogue checks.

 

The game is definitely intended to be played through multiple times as I think that you simply don't have enough time to fully explore every quest option in either the first or second acts.  Also, there are achievements/trophies that are directly tied to having specific backgrounds/traits selected at character creation.  I'm enjoying my time with the game well enough to give it another playthrough (or two), but I'm not sure if I'm actually going to change my ultimate decisions for either the first or second act as those choices that I made somehow feel "correct" to me even though I have absolutely no empirical evidence to support that claim!

 

I will say that I'm very pleased with the way the game's writers approach the subject of religion and the faith/beliefs of the characters.  The writers really do seem to have recognized the significant role that religious faith played in the lives of ordinary people during this period of history and therefore depict this role respectfully and seriously.  This isn't to say that the writers are uncritical of the Church itself and its hypocrisy, corruption, etc. but they draw the important distinction between the acts of the Church and its ecclesiastical hierarchy and the faith/beliefs of the townspeople.  That's a balancing act that the Obsidian writers should be proud of themselves for having pulled off! :clap:

I get their decision to kind of introduce a bit of realism, though I use that word loosely here, into the proceedings by giving you a time limit to work with but it does frustrate me a bit on a pure videogame level. I do enjoy the game on many levels but I'm not sure I have time to dedicate three playthroughs to it to try to see 90% of what's going on. Also combined with the skill checks that seem super obtuse, it seems difficult to tell if I'd even get what I want out of a second playthrough. I guess what I'm saying is that I like the system overall but I do think it's just a tad too restrictive unless I'm just a dummy and rushed to bed too early when the game told me to in the beginning. If they loosened it a bit or introduced an option to get out of some conversations so you don't lock yourself out of paths, that'd be ideal in my opinion. I think the Martin questline I described in the spoiler above soured me a bit overall. Just give me a dialog option at the end that has a [LIE] and have Andreas go "Oh it's nothing, talk soon!" or something simple. 

 

On the subject of religion, I agree with you 100%. It's easy to simply condescend and ridicule, a trap quite a bit of historical fiction falls into imo, but I love how much care was taken here to put you in the characters' shoes IN the 1510s. You get immersed in those thought patterns and don't just watch it from the outside in a way. This is something I deeply value about the Pötzsch novels we talked about. That and also what you said especially since there's a common misconception that people in that era were just superstitious morons who blindly ran after the church in general, not the case at all. I really like the friction between peasants and holy rollers up on that hill in general and the conversations about the subject are very intelligently written. 

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