Buffalo white supremacist terrorist attack update: authorities investigating whether a retired federal agent had advance knowledge of plan

[silentbob]

1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Fantastic band, I've seen them live twice. The guy's voice is unbelievable.

Like their stuff too, but it was a little creepy how close the 2 of them get and some of the looks they shoot at each other. You know, being brother and sister and all.

[CitizenVectron]

6 minutes ago, silentbob said:

Like their stuff too, but it was a little creepy how close the 2 of them get and some of the looks they shoot at each other. You know, being brother and sister and all.

 

Hmm. I've seen them shoot those looks, so I looked it up, and it appears they are not siblings!

 

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

 

It's these kids and Fortnite I tell ya!

[silentbob]

16 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Hmm. I've seen them shoot those looks, so I looked it up, and it appears they are not siblings!

 

 

I remember them on The Dean Blundell Show when they first came out and I remember someone mentioning brother and sister. Unless it was something people ran with for a bit like with White Stripes 

[Chadatog]

9 hours ago, FreezingColdTakes said:

 

 

 

Ok but why is Nightmare from Metroid Fusion there-- pic.twitter.com/ODA93ICyd9

— Sky (Shark) (@FutureDiarist) May 15, 2022

[Brick]

Why did I only just now get a notification that I was quoted? Weird. Never even saw that post before, but I saw the ones after it earlier. 

[SaysWho?]

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Amen.

 

 

[CayceG]

Michael Harriot is always able to see exactly what the main issue is. 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

Ooohh sounds like CRT. Not allowed to talk about it. 

[stepee]

5 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Ooohh sounds like CRT. Not allowed to talk about it. 

 

we just don’t want to teach them about race relations too young, it’s better to wait until after they shoot some place up

[Jason]

I think this is the first one of these they've done in several years.

 

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

WWW.THEONION.COM

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BUFFALO, NY—In the hours following a violent rampage in upstate New York in which a lone attacker killed 10 individuals and injured three others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from…

 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

I think this is the first one of these they've done in several years.

 

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

WWW.THEONION.COM

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BUFFALO, NY—In the hours following a violent rampage in upstate New York in which a lone attacker killed 10 individuals and injured three others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday...

 

you gotta give a joke time to rest before reusing it. 
 

sadly the reality that we keep allowing and even enabling these shootings to happen seems to never take a rest. 

[MarSolo]

It really is amazing how the video game argument STILL gets brought up.

[Air_Delivery]

1 minute ago, MarSolo said:

It really is amazing how the video game argument STILL gets brought up.

They are grasping at straws because they know they are complicit. 

[MarSolo]

It won’t happen but I can dream. Something REALLY needs to be done about Tucker Carlson.

[Kal-El814]

1 minute ago, MarSolo said:

It really is amazing how the video game argument STILL gets brought up.

 

It's been a while since I've talked to him about it, but a college professor buddy of mine has a former grad student that does research on the impact of playing violent videogames. He's a gamer himself so there's no ax to grind, and the impact isn't nothing, but it's obviously not the direct "DOOM > mass murderer" line the media likes to portray.

 

Honestly, for me the larger issue with gaming and violence like this is the notion that certain gaming communities and groups are a safe harbor for white supremacy posting, talk, and thoughts. It's not uncommon for toxic shit to be ignored by fairly significant streamers in the interest of not rocking the boat.  I don't think there's a causal link or anything, but Steve Bannon didn't hang out with WoW players for no reason.

[MarSolo]

1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

It's been a while since I've talked to him about it, but a college professor buddy of mine has a former grad student that does research on the impact of playing violent videogames. He's a gamer himself so there's no ax to grind, and the impact isn't nothing, but it's obviously not the direct "DOOM > mass murderer" line the media likes to portray.

 

Honestly, for me the larger issue with gaming and violence like this is the notion that certain gaming communities and groups are a safe harbor for white supremacy posting, talk, and thoughts. It's not uncommon for toxic shit to be ignored by fairly significant streamers in the interest of not rocking the boat.  I don't think there's a causal link or anything, but Steve Bannon didn't hang out with WoW players for no reason.

Oh, yeah, that Gamergate thing proved that the community itself is really toxic, especially when they meet girl gamers.

[Mr.Vic20]

8 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said:

They are grasping at straws because they know they are complicit. 

Or, the same demographic also believes that the devil makes people do things.  Don't ever underestimate the power of emotional charged multi-generational ignorance! 

[brucoe]

1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Honestly, for me the larger issue with gaming and violence like this is the notion that certain gaming communities and groups are a safe harbor for white supremacy posting, talk, and thoughts. It's not uncommon for toxic shit to be ignored by fairly significant streamers in the interest of not rocking the boat.  I don't think there's a causal link or anything, but Steve Bannon didn't hang out with WoW players for no reason.

There's a definite right-wing gamer community that is online that I run into a lot, especially when it comes to following gamers who actually review games. What I discovered a few years ago is that because of Youtube's algorithms, if you follow any of these gamer reviewers who also have a right-wing presence with a lot of their other videos (even if it's a completely different channel on Youtube), you start getting recommended a lot of right-wing hatred stuff (from the manosphere to straight out Let's Go Branden content). So, I'm not surprised there's a connection. I just don't think it's as obvious as the media tries to make it out to be ("doom leads to violence" type of reports).

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Video games lead to violence because video game content leads to white boys becoming white supremacists 

[Guest]

There is plenty of good evidence that violent media, including video games, causes a desensitization to violence in the aggregate. In the extreme cases, it probably does play a role in how comfortable these mass shooters are with committing horrific violence. But that doesn’t make it causal in the slightest.

 

You actually see something similar in the way child pornography viewers most often describe the path that ended with the CP. they started with fairly vanilla content and over time become desensitized to it and look for more and more extreme content. It is not common for a person to almost immediately go the CP route, but also the vast majority of porn watchers never become so desensitized that they pick up a CP habit. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

“How many of these firearms homicides would have been non firearm homicides?”

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

“How many of these firearms homicides would have been non firearm homicides?”

 

Using two different scales on this chart is making me irrationally upset 

[MarSolo]

Can we just put gun owners and crypto bros on an island together and let Darwin sort it out?

[Kal-El814]

7 minutes ago, brucoe said:

There's a definite right-wing gamer community that is online that I run into a lot, especially when it comes to following gamers who actually review games. What I discovered a few years ago is that because of Youtube's algorithms, if you follow any of these gamer reviewers who also have a right-wing presence with a lot of their other videos (even if it's a completely different channel on Youtube), you start getting recommended a lot of right-wing hatred stuff (from the manosphere to straight out Let's Go Branden content). So, I'm not surprised there's a connection. I just don't think it's as obvious as the media tries to make it out to be ("doom leads to violence" type of reports).

 

Yeah, it's this exactly; the algorithmic amplification of white nationalist rhetoric if you start poking at it is pretty startling. 

 

15 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

There is plenty of good evidence that violent media, including video games, causes a desensitization to violence in the aggregate. In the extreme cases, it probably does play a role in how comfortable these mass shooters are with committing horrific violence. But that doesn’t make it causal in the slightest.

 

You actually see something similar in the way child pornography viewers most often describe the path that ended with the CP. they started with fairly vanilla content and over time become desensitized to it and look for more and more extreme content. It is not common for a person to almost immediately go the CP route, but also the vast majority of porn watchers never become so desensitized that they pick up a CP habit. 

 

I don't have any insight into the CP stuff you're talking about since I don't know anyone that is currently researching it and I didn't look into it during my academic career.

 

You're also correct in that the consumption of violent content does have a desensitization writ large. I'm going on vacation with my buddy later this summer, I'll pick his brain about the current understanding in the field. Again there's no direct line between someone playing Manhunt and then going out and doing that IRL absent other stuff and out of nowhere; that just doesn't happen. But there's also more of an affect than "nothing" for sure, both at the aggregate level and often at an individual one.

[CitizenVectron]

I do believe that gaming has resulted in an increase of violence...but only because of online voice chat and communities, not the games themselves.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

13 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

 

Using two different scales on this chart is making me irrationally upset 

This is fine for comparing trends with the usual caveats

[Kal-El814]

5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

I do believe that gaming has resulted in an increase of violence...but only because of online voice chat and communities, not the games themselves.

 

I don’t think this is true broadly; violence had generally trended down as games have gotten more violent or more realistically violent at any rate.

[CitizenVectron]

1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

I don’t think this is true broadly; violence had generally trended down as games have gotten more violent or more realistically violent at any rate.

 

Sorry I meant it more as a joke, that online voice chat and communities are a societal negative. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

I'm going to share this from an African-American poster on ResetERA that I thought was worth posting here and one that I'm genuinely interested in hearing from the perspective of our African-American members upon

 

@skillzdadirecta

@sblfilms

@Air_Delivery (apologies - I just seem to recall that you're African-American though I could be misremembering!)

 

Quote

 

It's not even just getting whites to vote for ostensibly left-leaning causes that is the issue I have right now. I mean, FPTP math ensures eventually that the left-wing party (relatively speaking, of course) will always get back into power eventually in such a system. Flips are always guaranteed.

 

The issue is that when when liberals/leftists get back into power is...

 

They just don't do anything for Black people.

 

Our issues are discussed on the campaign trail, they make their way into our churches, our streets, on our podcasts, the platforms are posted online so people can say "we have the most progressive legislation in the history of the country," and yet, what do Black people as a whole actually have to show for our undying party loyalty?

 

I don't know the particulars of how the government is conducted. But I'm no fool either. I think people are more honest than they might at first glance seem, and they will act the way that they feel. If the best Democrats can do after having the Black vote on lock for about 60 years or so is the complete inertia on addressing the lack of Black wealth and security, increased police budgets, increased incarceration, and just the general thrust of hostility that is displayed whenever we rightfully get upset that Democrats just seemingly can't be fucking bothered with us after our ballot has been cast or, worse, turn around to blame us when things don't go their way, then I would be remiss to continue believing that they care about me after my vote's been cast.

 

And even if they do care, I would be dumb to believe that they can effectively wield their power to make the changes necessary to bolster Black autonomy, because that's always the rub, isn't it? The votes in the House and Senate are just never there. If they are there, well, the political capital was expended on something else, so we have to wait our turn when the next Blue Wave comes in, which is becoming harder and harder to secure because the opposition is just seemingly allowed to make the election rules as hostile as possible. This bylaw and that rule and this article buried way down in here says Democrats can't push the legislation they are just oh-so dying to implement. "Progress is slow and painful," or more accurately: "your life is going to be worse off politically than it would be if people just gave a shit about you like they do for causes that solely exist to strengthen white western hegemony (no seriously.... imagine if America cared about Black folks like they suddenly cared about Ukraine and money and investment just poured the fuck in; we'd be done with this fucking nonsense by now), or hell, if you just left for a better country, but the light will get slightly brighter at the end of your lifespan if you just keep voting for our team!"

 

How inspiring!

 

Ultimately, any white person who actually wants to see racial justice will show me what they're about. Subsequently, any white person, like Biden, who is okay with using appealing rhetoric to secure power, will also show me what they're about. At this point we just need to be honest and say that the state of this country, the responsibility of why things are the way they are, is white folks' fault, on the left and the right- the right for being flagrantly evil, and the left for being way too incompetent, sympathetic, and feckless to actually stop them.

 

I'm tired of just wasting my time. I'm almost half-way through with my predicted natural lifespan. I'm not waiting on rich whites to help me.

 

 

[Zaku3]

47 minutes ago, brucoe said:

There's a definite right-wing gamer community that is online that I run into a lot, especially when it comes to following gamers who actually review games. What I discovered a few years ago is that because of Youtube's algorithms, if you follow any of these gamer reviewers who also have a right-wing presence with a lot of their other videos (even if it's a completely different channel on Youtube), you start getting recommended a lot of right-wing hatred stuff (from the manosphere to straight out Let's Go Branden content). So, I'm not surprised there's a connection. I just don't think it's as obvious as the media tries to make it out to be ("doom leads to violence" type of reports).

 

Alot of them in the gaming community. I lost interest in my world of warships clan when I found out some of the regulars are alt-right. 

 

Lol this reminds me of a game I played of HOI4 where someone asked why are there so many Neo Nazis in our community. My deadpan answer was "Because you can win WW2 as Nazi Germany."

[mclumber1]

Monetization is so tied to the "algorithm" now that anything short of an actual law that addresses these two linked issues will be like pissing into the wind.  Facebook is unlikely to revert to old ways of making money, simply because their algorithm makes them so much money. 

[skillzdadirecta]

10 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

and the left for being way too incompetent, sympathetic, and feckless to actually stop them.

 

[marioandsonic]

8 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

 

Alot of them in the gaming community. I lost interest in my world of warships clan when I found out some of the regulars are alt-right. 

 

Lol this reminds me of a game I played of HOI4 where someone asked why are there so many Neo Nazis in our community. My deadpan answer was "Because you can win WW2 as Nazi Germany."

 

This is why I rarely join online chat rooms when playing games.