CastletonSnob Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 As we all know, Nintendo and Sony were working on a SNES add-on, but Nintendo made a deal with Phillips, and that led to the PlayStation. I hear about how Nintendo betrayed Sony, but why is Nintendo in the wrong? Sony was going to get all the profits for the games. It's not like Sony was completely innocent. I'm tired of people making the birth of the Playstation seem like the big bully Nintendo screwed over the helpless victim Sony, when Sony was the bigger company at the time. Quote
gamer.tv Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 The my literally collaborated with them until the 11th hour then shifted over to Panasonic. It’s a pretty dick move. Update: Philips Quote
Paperclyp Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 That's an odd thing to be tired of. Are you Furukawa's nephew or something? 2 Quote
BloodyHell Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, CastletonSnob said: As we all know, Nintendo and Sony were working on a SNES add-on, but Nintendo made a deal with Phillips, and that led to the PlayStation. I hear about how Nintendo betrayed Sony, but why is Nintendo in the wrong? Sony was going to get all the profits for the games. It's not like Sony was completely innocent. I'm tired of people making the birth of the Playstation seem like the big bully Nintendo screwed over the helpless victim Sony, when Sony was the bigger company at the time. I think you're completely misunderstanding what happened And no, Sony was not going to get all the profits on software, Sony just wanted to build hardware. Nintendo was absolutely the bad guy in this situation, and paid for it greatly for well over a decade, losing both console dominance, and relationships with Square, which was their biggest exclusive 3rd party publisher. Quote
CastletonSnob Posted March 12, 2022 Author Posted March 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: I think you're completely misunderstanding what happened And no, Sony was not going to get all the profits on software, Sony just wanted to build hardware. Nintendo was absolutely the bad guy in this situation, and paid for it greatly for well over a decade, losing both console dominance, and relationships with Square, which was their biggest exclusive 3rd party publisher. Um, yes Sony did want the profits on software. I don't know what you're talking about. This is easily found with a quick Google search. I'm sorry you don't know basic facts. Quote
BloodyHell Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, CastletonSnob said: Um, yes Sony did want the profits on software. I don't know what you're talking about. This is easily found with a quick Google search. I'm sorry you don't know basic facts. They wanted hardware sales and disk royalties (because they designed and owned the disc platform and the profits were rightfully theirs), not game profits. Very different things. Im sorry you don't know basic facts. We're talking about pennies on the dollar which were rightfully theirs. Quote
Biggie Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, CastletonSnob said: Um, yes Sony did want the profits on software. I don't know what you're talking about. This is easily found with a quick Google search. I'm sorry you don't know basic facts. Quote
CastletonSnob Posted March 12, 2022 Author Posted March 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: They wanted hardware sales and disk royalties (because they designed and owned the disc platform and the profits were rightfully theirs), not game profits. Very different things. Im sorry you don't know basic facts. We're talking about pennies on the dollar which were rightfully theirs. Sony wanted most of the hardware sales and disc royalties, as well as licensing fees. The contract wasn't fair to Nintendo. Quote
Biggie Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Paperclyp said: Wtf is happening CastletonSnob gonna CastletonSnob Quote
SimpleG Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Paperclyp said: Wtf is happening Its so obvious whats going on Im sorry you don't know basic facts 1 1 Quote
Biggie Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 Imagine knowing the basic facts about this shit lol 1 Quote
XxEvil AshxX Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 I know the basic facts. But I'm not telling. 1 Quote
AlwaysDyingX Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 4 hours ago, CastletonSnob said: As we all know, Nintendo and Sony were working on a SNES add-on, but Nintendo made a deal with Phillips, and that led to the PlayStation. I hear about how Nintendo betrayed Sony, but why is Nintendo in the wrong? Sony was going to get all the profits for the games. It's not like Sony was completely innocent. I'm tired of people making the birth of the Playstation seem like the big bully Nintendo screwed over the helpless victim Sony, when Sony was the bigger company at the time. DON'T FORGET TO TURN YOUR CLOCKS BACK TONIGHT Quote
Keyser_Soze Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 Lee got the basic facts from calling the Nintendo hotline for all those years. Quote
chakoo Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 As an ex game dev this takes me back to when children argued on ign over everything without a ***king clue. 1 Quote
Xbob42 Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, chakoo said: As an ex game dev this takes me back to when children argued on ign over everything without a ***king clue. To be fair to those children, the game industry is fucking ridiculous with its espionage-level secret keeping over the most basics of development and best practices, management, etc. Which is why half the info we know about game dev comes from goddamn exposés where we sift through all the sexual harassment to find nuggets on frustum culling! In other words, it's your fault we don't know the basic facts! Quote
Bacon Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 What really happened is that Nintendo walked in on Sony fucking their childhood friend cum Wife. Found out the child was Sony's all along. 1 Quote
chakoo Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: In other words, it's your fault we don't know the basic facts! Everybody wants the inside baseball. We just want to talk about the tech (GDC/SIGGRAPH). Yet with that said we do talk inside baseball, you just weren't looking at the right forums to find it. Quote
Xbob42 Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, chakoo said: Everybody wants the inside baseball. We just want to talk about the tech (GDC/SIGGRAPH). Yet with that said we do talk inside baseball, you just weren't looking at the right forums to find it. Carmack tweets don't count! He talks like a smartman and it offends me! Quote
BloodyHell Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 13 hours ago, CastletonSnob said: Sony wanted most of the hardware sales and disc royalties, as well as licensing fees. The contract wasn't fair to Nintendo. Imagine wanting the hardware sales for hardware you are designing and building! Or royalties for a platform they own and spent millions, possibly billions, developing! How terrible of them! Sony wanted what would have been rightfully theirs. Why would Nintendo get hardware sales for hardware they didn't design or produce. Historically Nintendo has always been a terrible anti-consumer company that puts profits above what is best for the industry and its platform, from cheap hardware they refuse to fix (which they're being sued for a second time, right now), to not creating a cohesive account system so they can resell the same games over and over on system after system. Nintendo is almost never the "good guy". Quote
CastletonSnob Posted March 13, 2022 Author Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, BloodyHell said: Imagine wanting the hardware sales for hardware you are designing and building! Or royalties for a platform they own and spent millions, possibly billions, developing! How terrible of them! Sony wanted what would have been rightfully theirs. Why would Nintendo get hardware sales for hardware they didn't design or produce. Historically Nintendo has always been a terrible anti-consumer company that puts profits above what is best for the industry and its platform, from cheap hardware they refuse to fix (which they're being sued for a second time, right now), to not creating a cohesive account system so they can resell the same games over and over on system after system. Nintendo is almost never the "good guy". The platform was the SNES, which Nintendo created. Sony just made the CD add-on. Even if Nintendo didn't actually make the CD add-on, it was perfectly reasonable for them to want some of the profits for a CD add-on for THEIR console. So, Nintendo is somehow in the wrong for wanting some of the profits in their deal for Sony's CD add-on for a console NINTENDO created? I'm so glad you're not in business. You're basically saying that Nintendo should have gone with the terrible contract. Quote
BloodyHell Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 3 hours ago, CastletonSnob said: The platform was the SNES, which Nintendo created. Sony just made the CD add-on. Even if Nintendo didn't actually make the CD add-on, it was perfectly reasonable for them to want some of the profits for a CD add-on for THEIR console. So, Nintendo is somehow in the wrong for wanting some of the profits in their deal for Sony's CD add-on for a console NINTENDO created? I'm so glad you're not in business. You're basically saying that Nintendo should have gone with the terrible contract. Stop shilling for Nintendo. The platform was CD. Sont owned it. They deserved all royalties for it, just like they got with every cd platform. Its clear what you know about business and what you think you know has a very wide gulf between them. Obviously they made the wrong move, because Sony made a fool them for the next decade after the split. So yes, clearly Nintendo should have taken what was a very standard contract considering hardware development and build cost was on Sony. It's clear you don't know how this works. Quote
CastletonSnob Posted March 13, 2022 Author Posted March 13, 2022 55 minutes ago, BloodyHell said: Stop shilling for Nintendo. The platform was CD. Sont owned it. They deserved all royalties for it, just like they got with every cd platform. Its clear what you know about business and what you think you know has a very wide gulf between them. Obviously they made the wrong move, because Sony made a fool them for the next decade after the split. So yes, clearly Nintendo should have taken what was a very standard contract considering hardware development and build cost was on Sony. It's clear you don't know how this works. Nintendo should have just let Sony take all the money for a joint project? I guess you think Nintendo wanted to work with Sony on a CD add-on just out of the goodness of their hearts. The whole point of a joint project is that both parties get something. Sony wanted all the royalties for every CD game, INCLUDING Nintendo's games. Basically, Nintendo wouldn't get any money from their games. Yeah, I don't think I'm the one who doesn't know anything about business. Tell me how it was a "very standard contract". And again, the add-on was for a console NINTENDO made. Nintendo deserved some of the money. I don't know why you can't grasp simple concepts. Quote
Derek Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 You've been holding this in for far too long. I'm glad you're able to finally let it all out. I applaud you, good sir! Quote
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