Consumer Technology LG OLED 65” C8PUA - good?

[The def star]

10 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Here's a ridiculous question: I actually like watching 3D movies on occasion... Does the QLED or OLED even support 3D playback? I'm guessing "no".  

 No one supports 3D any more 

 

 

 

 

[nacthenud]

12 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Here's a ridiculous question: I actually like watching 3D movies on occasion... Does the QLED or OLED even support 3D playback? I'm guessing "no".  

The 2016 LG OLED's supported 3D.  So a C6 model will support it.  Support was dropped with the 2017 models (ie - a C7) and the trade-off was superior near-black performance and superior brightness capability with less-aggressive APL.

[Rodimus]

I was hoping a little for 3D. I have some movies in 3D that are nice. So now I guess 3D movies will be only in my PSVR for now.

[nacthenud]

8 minutes ago, Rodimus said:

I was hoping a little for 3D. I have some movies in 3D that are nice. So now I guess 3D movies will be only in my PSVR for now.

 

This is exactly my situation.  I almost got a 2016 instead of a 2017 for the 3D capability.  I went back and forth on it several times.

[Spork3245]

7 minutes ago, Rodimus said:

I was hoping a little for 3D. I have some movies in 3D that are nice. So now I guess 3D movies will be only in my PSVR for now.

 

I really don't want to hear about your porn collection.

 

Seriously, though, that sucks. 3D is probably dead until glassless 3D is perfected and adopted. When done correctly it's such a good effect, IMO. I am planning on getting a second TV for another room in the house, I guess I'll just make sure that one supports 3D.

 

One more question, is the OLED like Plasma in regards to screen glare/reflections? 

[nacthenud]

15 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I really don't want to hear about your porn collection.

 

Seriously, though, that sucks. 3D is probably dead until glassless 3D is perfected and adopted. When done correctly it's such a good effect, IMO. I am planning on getting a second TV for another room in the house, I guess I'll just make sure that one supports 3D.

 

One more question, is the OLED like Plasma in regards to screen glare/reflections? 

 

I have never personally owned a plasma, so I can't really speak to that, but I can tell you that the LG B7 OLED has a glossy, not matte, screen so it can pick up reflections, but the anti-glare coating on the screen generally does a good job and I've never had any complaints about mine.  The only time I see a reflection is if I have a light directly behind me, like my hall light - then I can see it in the screen, but I don't get any glare from the lights above in the same room or the windows from the side when the blinds are up.

 

If you're going to be watching it with a bright window directly across from the TV behind where you're sitting, then an OLED isn't going to be the best choice anyway, because you want something brighter - ie a very bright LED LCD.

[Spork3245]

22 minutes ago, nacthenud said:

 

I have never personally owned a plasma, so I can't really speak to that, but I can tell you that the LG B7 OLED has a glossy, not matte, screen so it can pick up reflections, but the anti-glare coating on the screen generally does a good job and I've never had any complaints about mine.  The only time I see a reflection is if I have a light directly behind me, like my hall light - then I can see it in the screen, but I don't get any glare from the lights above in the same room or the windows from the side when the blinds are up.

 

If you're going to be watching it with a bright window directly across from the TV behind where you're sitting, then an OLED isn't going to be the best choice anyway, because you want something brighter - ie a very bright LED LCD.

 

I think that the Panny Plasmas didn't even have anti-glare due to their nature.  

Sounds like it's a LOT better than my plasma in regards to dealing with a well-lit room.

[The def star]

This is the glare of my B7A

 

 

And this is the glare of my X900F

 

 

My living room is much brighter than my bedroom where the B7A is. I'd say the anti reflection is much better on the LG but like @nacthenud said it doesn't get as bright as the X900F.

[Spork3245]

2 hours ago, The def star said:

This is the glare of my B7A

 

 

And this is the glare of my X900F

 

 

My living room is much brighter than my bedroom where the B7A is. I'd say the anti reflection is much better on the LG but like @nacthenud said it doesn't get as bright as the X900F.

 

But how’s the glare while it’s on?

[The def star]

27 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

But how’s the glare while it’s on?

Due to my room being much darker it isn't bad. Everything will look fine except for the lighting from my window. Because it is a gloss finish you won't get a smear of lighitng on it like on the Sony. You will only get glare from the light source and won't see it across the screen.

 

 

Also because OLEDs have a wide viewing angle you can sit at different locations or move the TV to avoid the glare. You will almost always have a great looking image.

[Keyser_Soze]

Close those mini blinds.

[The def star]

Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

Close those mini blinds.

But I want nature light in my room  I close them when I game.

[Spork3245]

Hmmm

SO

I THINK what I may do is jump on a 65” Q9FN if I see the price drop below $2.3k, otherwise I’ll just wait for HDMI 2.1 OLEDs.

I really want to go 75” or larger but two things are stopping me: my entertainment center is one with a built-in mount, and it looks like the largest it can fit is a 65”, and seemingly any replacement also has a 65” limitation for whatever reason.  The other thing that is stopping me... the price difference is INSANE. The OLEDs jump up by over $5k to around $9k for the 77”, and the QLED jumps to around $6k for a 75”... the F!?!?

[The def star]

3 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

Hmmm

SO

I THINK what I may do is jump on a 65” Q9FN if I see the price drop below $2.3k, otherwise I’ll just wait for HDMI 2.1 OLEDs.

I really want to go 75” or larger but two things are stopping me: my entertainment center is one with a built-in mount, and it looks like the largest it can fit is a 65”, and seemingly any replacement also has a 65” limitation for whatever reason.  The other thing that is stopping me... the price difference is INSANE. The OLEDs jump up by over $5k to around $9k for the 77”, and the QLED jumps to around $6k for a 75”... the F!?!?

Yeah those extra 10" are killer. It's a reason I settled for the X900E. I was able to get a 75" or $2,200 on Amazon. Had a defect on the X900E and Sony warranty replaced it with a 75" X900F because they X900E is discontinued. 

[Dodger]

I'm actually starting to lean toward the Samsung Q9FN as well, though I might still jump on that ebay LG deal you posted if it's still around when I'm ready to move. For me it's between the LG C8, Sony XF900, and the Samsung Q9F.

 

At the end of the day I could probably just get the Sony for 2 grand and be extremely happy and save a few bucks. When I saw the Samsung in action it's definitely brighter than the LG, and it's going to be in my living room in sunny nearly all the time Arizona, so that is a factor. 

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, The def star said:

Yeah those extra 10" are killer. It's a reason I settled for the X900E. I was able to get a 75" or $2,200 on Amazon. Had a defect on the X900E and Sony warranty replaced it with a 75" X900F because they X900E is discontinued. 

 

If I didn't have a Plasma I would happily go for the Sony X9xx series. I've heard stories from Panny Plasma and Pioneer Kuro owners who went to the X9xx and XBR Sony 4ks and they immediately sold them and hooked their Plasma back up  

[The def star]

35 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

If I didn't have a Plasma I would happily go for the Sony X9xx series. I've heard stories from Panny Plasma and Pioneer Kuro owners who went to the X9xx and XBR Sony 4ks and they immediately sold them and hooked their Plasma back up  

As far as blacks and color LCD won't ever compare to plasma. OLED is the next step when compared to plasma.

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, The def star said:

As far as blacks and color LCD won't ever compare to plasma. OLED is the next step when compared to plasma.

 

QLED seems to be mostly acceptable. I’d rather go OLED but the trade off of no fear of burn-in is enticing  

[AbsolutSurgen]

10 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

 

QLED seems to be mostly acceptable. I’d rather go OLED but the trade off of no fear of burn-in is enticing  

I was told that I would suffer from burn-in on my Kuro, and that I should never game on it...  10 years later -- still going strong with no trace of it...

 

Unless you abuse it, you should be good with OLED.

[Spork3245]

9 minutes ago, mikechorney said:

I was told that I would suffer from burn-in on my Kuro, and that I should never game on it...  10 years later -- still going strong with no trace of it...

 

Unless you abuse it, you should be good with OLED.

 

I have a plasma. I rarely get IR and have never gotten burn-in. BUT the fear is always there, and I am constantly making sure that static images aren’t left on for too long or that if I pause something for several minutes that there will be a screen saver. Having that lifted would be nice.  

[AbsolutSurgen]

11 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I have a plasma. I rarely get IR and have never gotten burn-in. BUT the fear is always there, and I am constantly making sure that static images aren’t left on for too long or that if I pause something for several minutes that there will be a screen saver. Having that lifted would be nice.  

Don't give in to your fear!  Be strong, and stay away from LCD TVs!

[best3444]

You're a mess! 

[Spork3245]

33 minutes ago, best3444 said:

You're a mess! 

 

I never once argued to the contrary!  

 

Final plans:

Option A.) IF LG announces a Freesync/VRR update via firmware for their 2018 OLEDs, I’ll buy immediately.

 

Option B.) I apparently have no use for Dolby Vision since I own nothing that supports it thus if the 2018 65” QLED drops in the low $2k range in the next 3-4 months, I’ll buy now.

 

Option C.) If A or B do not occur by the end of October, I’m waiting for the 2019 HDMI 2.1 sets.

[Brian]

It’s just a tv....

[nacthenud]

1 hour ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I never once argued to the contrary!  

 

Final plans:

Option A.) IF LG announces a Freesync/VRR update via firmware for their 2018 OLEDs, I’ll buy immediately.

 

Option B.) I apparently have no use for Dolby Vision since I own nothing that supports it thus if the 2018 65” QLED drops in the low $2k range in the next 3-4 months, I’ll buy now.

 

Option C.) If A or B do not occur by the end of October, I’m waiting for the 2019 HDMI 2.1 sets.

 

A) LG can't announce a freesync/VRR update via firmware because they don't have the hardware in there to support it.

 

B) Dolby Vision is pretty prevalent in Netflix, Amazon Prime and Vudu content through apps native on the TV, even if you don't have any other hardware capable of sending Dolby Vision to the TV yet.

 

[Spork3245]

9 minutes ago, nacthenud said:

 

A) LG can't announce a freesync/VRR update via firmware because they don't have the hardware in there to support it.

 

B) Dolby Vision is pretty prevalent in Netflix, Amazon Prime and Vudu content through apps native on the TV, even if you don't have any other hardware capable of sending Dolby Vision to the TV yet.

 

 

Freesync is software based. 

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

It’s just a tv....

 

It’s just a large purchase that I only make every 7-8 years so it’s smarter to future proof it as much as possible instead of pissing money away.

[Brian]

4 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

It’s just a large purchase that I only make every 7-8 years so it’s smarter to future proof it as much as possible instead of pissing money away.

 

On 6/25/2018 at 6:06 PM, Spork3245 said:

. I am planning on getting a second TV for another room in the house, I guess I'll just make sure that one supports 3D.

 

[Spork3245]

Just now, ManUtdRedDevils said:

 

 

I guess you missed the “secondary set” part? 

 

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I guess you missed the “secondary set” part? 

 

You are making this into some huge decision, while casually throwing out there that you are planning on getting a second tv anyway.  Doesn’t seem like a “7-8 years” decision. I can understand a car decision, but a tv...

 

 

Don't mind me buddy, you do you. Good luck.  Hope it all works out for you.  

 

 

[AbsolutSurgen]

16 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

You are making this into some huge decision, while casually throwing out there that you are planning on getting a second tv anyway.  Doesn’t seem like a “7-8 years” decision. I can understand a car decision, but a tv...

 

 

Don't mind me buddy, you do you. Good luck.  Hope it all works out for you.  

 

 

This is a message board.  We talk about stuff..

[Spork3245]

46 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

You are making this into some huge decision, while casually throwing out there that you are planning on getting a second tv anyway.  Doesn’t seem like a “7-8 years” decision. I can understand a car decision, but a tv...

 

 

Don't mind me buddy, you do you. Good luck.  Hope it all works out for you.  

 

 

 

The second TV is some sub-$400 one for when I have company over that will be used once per month at most and will never be replaced unless it literally stops working. The main set is a $2-3k purchase that won’t be replaced for 7-8 years. Why in the world would I buy a set that’s literally going to be outdated via HDMI 2.1 and, most notably, VRR, in just 8-9 months? Furthermore, I am trying to make sure my money is going to the correct set for the money. If you like to piss away thousands every few months on new TVs, good for you.

Here’s a tip, if a discussion is going on that you dislike and wish to add nothing to, click on a different thread. Good luck in your future trolling.

[nacthenud]

1 hour ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Freesync is software based. 

 

Hmm... I'm open to the possibility I'm wrong on that then.  I had read somewhere that it would not be possible to be patched into 2018 TV's that weren't designed for it, but I don't remember where I read it at the moment, so I can't verify credibility.

 

I thought it was a hardware limitation with the TV and was the same reason why black frame insertion on the 2018 models introduces telecine judder for 24fps content.  

[Spork3245]

3 minutes ago, nacthenud said:

 

Hmm... I'm open to the possibility I'm wrong on that then.  I had read somewhere that it would not be possible to be patched into 2018 TV's that weren't designed for it, but I don't remember where I read it at the moment, so I can't verify credibility.

 

I thought it was a hardware limitation with the TV and was the same reason why black frame insertion on the 2018 models introduces telecine judder for 24fps content.  

 

Actual HDMI 2.1-standard VRR will not be able to be patched in. Freesync will. The question does become “will things that use HDMI 2.1 VRR also use non-HDMI 2.1 freesync” though. So, there is a potential “why even bother” aspect that may occur. 

[nacthenud]

5 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Actual HDMI 2.1-standard VRR will not be able to be patched in. Freesync will. The question does become “will things that use HDMI 2.1 VRR also use non-HDMI 2.1 freesync” though. So, there is a potential “why even bother” aspect that may occur. 

 

Freesync doesn't allow for HDR though, does it?  I thought you needed Freesync 2 for that.  And I thought that for 4K HDR freesync 2 over 60Hz you needed HDMI 2.1.  But again, I could have bad info on that.