Television Dave Chappelle gets cancelled into four more Netflix specials

[skillzdadirecta]

9 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

Look, I don't know about all of the shit about Louis C.K.'s manager threatening people into silence and whether that happened or not, or whether he abused his power or whether he didn't know he was abusing his power, I can just say that I'm assuming I'm probably the only person here that has had someone masturbate in front of them in a position where I wasn't exactly sure I could say "no." Not to say it's a 1:1 comparison because obviously nothing is, but like... I can see how, having been through it myself, it's not as evil as you think it is. Obviously I don't know Louis C.K., he could be a fucking monster for all I know, but judging from my own experience, saying Louis C.K. should never work again from what he did is just virtue signalling. He didn't rape anyone. He was just being a fucking creep while he was probably on drugs, and people went along with it because they were afraid to say 'no,' and his manager/PR team made sure everyone kept quiet. That is a far, fary cry from Harvey Weinstein.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I love this because it just keeps going 😂😂😂

[CastlevaniaNut18]

11 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

Look, I don't know about all of the shit about Louis C.K.'s manager threatening people into silence and whether that happened or not, or whether he abused his power or whether he didn't know he was abusing his power, I can just say that I'm assuming I'm probably the only person here that has had someone masturbate in front of them in a position where I wasn't exactly sure I could say "no." Not to say it's a 1:1 comparison because obviously nothing is, but like... I can see how, having been through it myself, it's not as evil as you think it is. Obviously I don't know Louis C.K., he could be a fucking monster for all I know, but judging from my own experience, saying Louis C.K. should never work again from what he did is just virtue signalling. He didn't rape anyone. He was just being a fucking creep while he was probably on drugs, and people went along with it because they were afraid to say 'no,' and his manager/PR team made sure everyone kept quiet. That is a far, fary cry from Harvey Weinstein.

[skillzdadirecta]

On 4/4/2022 at 2:34 PM, Kamusha said:

Like I said in either this thread or another thread about cancellation in comedy, "cancel culture" is deeply exaggerated. There are very few high profile cases of cancellations where it actually sticks, and typically it's for the most extreme of cases like Weinstein. Most of the time, all you gotta do is take a year or two away from the spotlight and most people will have moved on.

So true... give Will Smith a year. He'll be back. Shit, Mel Gibson has even staged a return despite being "cancelled".

[Jason]

57 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So true... give Will Smith a year. He'll be back. Shit, Mel Gibson has even staged a return despite being "cancelled".

 

He also loves the n-word, thinks his wife is going to hell because even though she's a saint (his words) she's not Catholic...

[stepee]

1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So true... give Will Smith a year. He'll be back. Shit, Mel Gibson has even staged a return despite being "cancelled".

 

Will is just going to do a slight heel turn and take on some roles where he plays a bad guy with a heart of good and will be fine!

 

Also fizz love u man but I think that ain’t it on this one 

[skillzdadirecta]

4 minutes ago, stepee said:

 

Will is just going to do a slight heel turn and take on some roles where he plays a bad guy with a heart of good and will be fine!

One of the movies that just got postponed was him playing an amnesiac drug dealer or something. Sounded like it could have been cool.  He's gonna have to take a break for awhile but he should be fine provided he doesn't go full Kanye or the Rock Brothers don't get to him first. Chris' brothers are NOT happy about that slap.

[stepee]

Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

One of the movies that just got postponed was him playing an amnesiac drug dealer or something. Sounded like it could have been cool.  He's gonna have to take a break for awhile but he should be fine provided he doesn't go full Kanye.

 

I don’t see anything like that for him, I think he will fully recover. Maybe take on some more interesting roles.

[Kamusha]

2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

So true... give Will Smith a year. He'll be back. Shit, Mel Gibson has even staged a return despite being "cancelled".

This is why I actually respect him for stepping down from the Academy and don’t think it was just for show. There is, like, no incentive anymore to do the right thing and apologize. So much of our society are vindictive little brats who will never forgive under any circumstances. And another sizes me segment will look down at anyone who apologizes as weak. It’s actually a better career move at this point to never apologize and always double down.

[Jason]

1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said:

the Rock Brothers

 

The Rock and Kid Rock?

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Kamusha said:

This is why I actually respect him for stepping down from the Academy and don’t think it was just for show. There is, like, no incentive anymore to do the right thing and apologize. So much of our society are vindictive little brats who will never forgive under any circumstances. And another sizes me segment will look down at anyone who apologizes as weak. It’s actually a better career move at this point to never apologize and always double down.

 

I had that thought too but then I saw it pointed out that it could also be that they told him they were going to kick him out and it's actually a "you can't fire me I quit" move.

[Kamusha]

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I had that thought too but then I saw it pointed out that it could also be that they told him they were going to kick him out and it's actually a "you can't fire me I quit" move.

That is a good point that I hadn’t considered.

[Fizzzzle]

Okay - let me phrase things like this, since again, I'm assuming I'm the only person here who has been on the opposite end of the situations Louis C.K. put himself in:

 

It was ostensibly consensual. Obviously we get into "they only said yes because they felt like they couldn't say no." I get that. I can also see how Louis C.K. wouldn't understand that at the time. I can see how maybe he thought it was just hanging out with friends and I'm gonna do something weird because we're on cocaine. Not saying cocaine was involved since no one has said it was, but speaking as someone who has done a lot of cocaine, it's exactly the kind of thing that would sound like a reasonable idea when you're on cocaine, and given that we're talking about the late night comedy scene... 

 

I can also understand how Louis C.K.'s manager and publicist would try to silence anyone who spoke out about it. That's not to excuse it, but it's entirely possible that Louis C.K. wouldn't have known anything about that.

 

Again, I'm not saying that that is exactly what happened, because I wasn't there. I'm just saying that I can understand how that COULD be the case, and I'm just being told I'm wrong because clearly you all have such experience in situations like that.

 

I have to reiterate, I don't know what the fuck happened in those hotel rooms. Neither do you. In my experience, it sounds like something that could reasonably happen in a way that doesn't make Louis C.K. a sexual predator. I'm not saying he's not, I'm saying that, from what we know, I'm not assuming he is, and neither should you.

 

Like, objectively worse shit happens in Hollywood all the time. I just don't see what Louis C.K. did as "oh he deserves to be cancelled forever."

 

Again, the greater issue was the silencing/burying of people who spoke out about it.

 

This isn't some hill I'm willing to die on, Louis C.K. could be a monster for all I know. I just have the empathy to think that it might not be a black and white situation and maybe being forced to quit his career forever because of what he did is not warranted in this particular case. And no one has convinced me why I might be wrong without sounding like "you just don't know what you're talking about."

[skillzdadirecta]

14 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

 

It was ostensibly consensual.

 

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At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. 

 That quote is from Louis C.K. himself. 

[Bloodporne]

20 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

 Shit, Mel Gibson has even staged a return despite being "cancelled".

Gibson may actually be a pioneer of being cancelled! They should have some lifetime achievement award for his level of antics. He covered it all, what a legend. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

17 hours ago, Jason said:

 

I had that thought too but then I saw it pointed out that it could also be that they told him they were going to kick him out and it's actually a "you can't fire me I quit" move.

 

Kinda like this:

 

 

"The Russian Federation decided to early terminate its powers as a member of the Human Rights Council from April 7, 2022."

 

[Kal-El814]

56 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

That quote is from Louis C.K. himself. 

 

Also, I cannot remember if he copped to this or if this is something someone said, he also masturbated on the phone with people from whom he did not obtain consent.

 

Regardless, the guy just won a Grammy for an album where he joked about the entire affair, so he's riding his remorse all the way to the bank.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Also, I cannot remember if he copped to this or if this is something someone said, he also masturbated on the phone with people from whom he did not obtain consent.

 

Regardless, the guy just won a Grammy for an album where he joked about the entire affair, so he's riding his remorse all the way to the bank.

Yeah i don't know if he's truly remorseful or has learned his lesson or not. I just find the notion that any of the shit he's done as being consensual just... I dunno. Also has he himself ever blamed any of this on cocaine use? 

[Kal-El814]

30 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Yeah i don't know if he's truly remorseful or has learned his lesson or not. I just find the notion that any of the shit he's done as being consensual just... I dunno. Also has he himself ever blamed any of this on cocaine use? 

I have no idea where the cocaine stuff ITT came from. 

[skillzdadirecta]

4 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

I have no idea where the cocaine stuff ITT came from. 

Yeah I thought I missed something. 

[Guest]

Fizz, why are there no stories of him doing this to male comics if it’s just cocaine hijinks? 
 

And I can say unequivocally that based just in what CK has admitted to that he is at minimum guilty of substantial sexual harassment of many female comics over many years. And that is just based on what he has acknowledged as true, it’s worse if you take all the other smoke as a sign of fire.

 

You’re really going beyond giving the benefit of the doubt to CK. Some of the stories don’t even occur within the world or comedy clubs, one happened on the set of a TV show!

 

This stuff was going on for well over a decade, in many different contexts, with the one constant being that CK specifically targeted lesser known female comics for his masturbation sessions.

[Bloodporne]

11 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Fizz, why are there no stories of him doing this to make comics if it’s just cocaine hijinks? 
 

And I can say unequivocally that based just in what CK has admitted to that he is at minimum guilty of substantial sexual harassment of many female comics over many years. And that is just based on what he has acknowledged as true, it’s worse if you take all the other smoke as a sign of fire.

 

You’re really going beyond giving the benefit of the doubt to CK. Some of the stories don’t even occur within the world or comedy clubs, one happened on the set of a TV show!

 

This stuff was going on for well over a decade, in many different contexts, with the one constant being that CK specifically targeted lesser known female comics for his masturbation sessions.

I'm even a person who really wanted give CK the benefit of the doubt just because I was a huge fan of his material but still, I agree with this fully. All the stuff he admitted to and all is probably the minimum of his antics and that's all creepy enough. I'll be honest too, there are a lot of artists I turn a blind eye to and manage to separate the art from the artist from and there is no hard and fast rule for what goes and doesn't, but something about CK's persona is just way too in line with this sleazy behavior. I've even tried to watch some of his old standup shit since and it's a bit too slimy for me now despite him still having some comedy gold bits here and there. 

[Kal-El814]

11 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I'm even a person who really wanted give CK the benefit of the doubt just because I was a huge fan of his material but still, I agree with this fully. All the stuff he admitted to and all is probably the minimum of his antics and that's all creepy enough. I'll be honest too, there are a lot of artists I turn a blind eye to and manage to separate the art from the artist from and there is no hard and fast rule for what goes and doesn't, but something about CK's persona is just way too in line with this sleazy behavior. I've even tried to watch some of his old standup shit since and it's a bit too slimy for me now despite him still having some comedy gold bits here and there. 

 

The episode of Louie that opens with him getting into it with a female audience member, then their discussion spills out onto the sidewalk where he and a bunch of other male comedians stand and nod along with Louis rant about how them being on stage is the only time they get to feel alive and she ruined that for him, then it ends with all the comedians saying he probably still could have fucked her…the self lionization is fucking preposterous.

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Also, I cannot remember if he copped to this or if this is something someone said, he also masturbated on the phone with people from whom he did not obtain consent.

 

Regardless, the guy just won a Grammy for an album where he joked about the entire affair, so he's riding his remorse all the way to the bank.

 

I guess he must have if someone else said he did it, but did he tell the people he was on the phone with that he was masturbating???

[Kal-El814]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

I guess he must have if someone else said he did it, but did he tell the people he was on the phone with that he was masturbating???

 

I believe that he did not. 

Louis C.K. Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Five Women

WWW.ROLLINGSTONE.COM

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Superstar comedian Louis C.K. has been accused of sexual misconduct by five women in an explosive new article.

 

[Bloodporne]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I guess he must have if someone else said he did it, but did he tell the people he was on the phone with that he was masturbating???

The way I remember this story was that he specifically got the kick from not telling people he was jerking off while on the call. But again, that's how I remember it so maybe not accurate. 

[Jason]

48 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

I believe that he did not. 

Louis C.K. Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Five Women

WWW.ROLLINGSTONE.COM

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Superstar comedian Louis C.K. has been accused of sexual misconduct by five women in an explosive new article.

 

 

44 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

The way I remember this story was that he specifically got the kick from not telling people he was jerking off while on the call. But again, that's how I remember it so maybe not accurate. 

 

It's definitely weird behavior but I'm not sure I see how that specifically is harassment or a consent violation or something along those lines.

[Kal-El814]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's definitely weird behavior but I'm not sure I see how that specifically is harassment or a consent violation or something along those lines.

 

Turning what was ostensibly a work call and flipping it into one way phone sex is absolutely harassment and a violation of consent.

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Turning what was ostensibly a work call and flipping it into one way phone sex is absolutely harassment and a violation of consent.

 

How can it be harassment when you have no idea it's happening, and it's not something like a stalking situation?

[Kal-El814]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

How can it be harassment when you have no idea it's happening, and it's not something like a stalking situation?

I honestly don’t understand this question within the context of the phone call described in the link I posted. 

[Jason]

14 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

I honestly don’t understand this question within the context of the phone call described in the link I posted. 

 

Who has time to click the links?

 

The confusion was because going off what Bloodporne said I was assuming they had literally no idea he was masturbating. Having now read the story in the article yeah I'm not confused.

[skillzdadirecta]

30 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

How can it be harassment when you have no idea it's happening, and it's not something like a stalking situation?

 

Um

 

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Ms. Schachner, a writer, illustrator and performer, admired Louis C.K.’s work. They had met in the comedy scene; Ms. Schachner’s former boyfriend was a comedy writer who had worked with Louis C.K. In 2003, when she called Louis C.K. with an invitation to her show, he said he was at work in an office as a writer on the series “Cedric the Entertainer Presents,” she recalled.

Their conversation quickly moved from the personal — Louis C.K. had seen photos of her on her boyfriend’s desk, he said, and told her he thought she was cute — to “unprofessional and inappropriate,” Ms. Schachner said.

She said she heard the blinds coming down. Then he slowly started telling her his sexual fantasies, breathing heavily and talking softly. She realized he was masturbating, and was dumbfounded. The call went on for several minutes, even though, Ms. Schachner said, “I definitely wasn’t encouraging it.” But she didn’t know how to end it, either. “You want to believe it’s not happening,” she said. A friend, Stuart Harris, confirmed that Ms. Schachner had described the call to him in 2003.

 

[Kal-El814]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Who has time to click the links?

[skillzdadirecta]

Bringing this back full circle... Dave Chapelle on Louis C.K.

 

 

[Jason]

15 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Um

 

See above where I hadn't read what you quoted below that yet.