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3 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

I wonder if Amazon has a sense that a non trivial part of the original movies’ enduring popularity is the emphasis on relationships, kindness, handsome dudes, etc. Jackson seemed to whiff on that a bit with The Hobbit movies tripling down on battles and CGI porn. 

 

Really The Hobittses just didn't have enough sex jokes. 

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It's pretty popular on the internet to think the show is going to suck because having people of color in the cast ruins the source material. I think it might suck simply because they're just going to turn it into another bland fantasy series, like a CW show with a bigger budget.

 

And by bigger budget I mean "literally the most expensive TV show ever produced," with a budget of $465 million for just the first season.

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9 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

It's pretty popular on the internet to think the show is going to suck because having people of color in the cast ruins the source material. I think it might suck simply because they're just going to turn it into another bland fantasy series, like a CW show with a bigger budget.

 

And by bigger budget I mean "literally the most expensive TV show ever produced," with a budget of $465 million for just the first season.


We went down this road already with The Witcher, GoT and Wheel of Time. 
 

It’s almost like, when major production houses, throw lots of money at talented people who love the non YA source material…good shows happen. 

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42 minutes ago, Mercury33 said:


We went down this road already with The Witcher, GoT and Wheel of Time. 
 

It’s almost like, when major production houses, throw lots of money at talented people who love the non YA source material…good shows happen. 

I still need to try Wheel of Time. I hope Rings of Power is good, I'm just skeptical. I've heard mixed things about Wheel of Time.

 

40 minutes ago, Rev said:

Is it live action or animated

Live action.

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Now that I’ve had time to further digest Wheel of Time, I’ve concluded it really isn’t good at all. It’s mediocre at best, especially considering how the last episode turned out. 
 

It’s an open question whether they can improve the show, but I think season 1 is good evidence that lots of money can result in bland fantasy, even when there is 10,000 pages+ of source material. 

 

So I feel zero hype for this show right now. They have to prove themselves. 

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8 hours ago, sblfilms said:

I want this to be good very much

I do, too, but judging by Wheel of Time and Carnival Row I kind of have every reason to believe they're just going to turn middle earth into bland TV fantasy #39.

 

 

There is one thing I read that the show is rated tv-14, so that at least made me think "at least they're not filling middle earth with tits," which tells me they are trying to respect the source material on at least one front.

 

There is a problem with people saying they're "not respecting the source material" that basically boils down to "they cast people of color in the show" which I find problematic. Also the second age of middle earth is a time span of almost 3500 years that Tolkien only ever wrote like 100 pages of material about, which makes it perfect for high budget fan fiction, which is essentially what the show is and I'm perfectly fine with.

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On 2/3/2022 at 8:02 PM, Fizzzzle said:

I do, too, but judging by Wheel of Time and Carnival Row I kind of have every reason to believe they're just going to turn middle earth into bland TV fantasy #39.

 

 

There is one thing I read that the show is rated tv-14, so that at least made me think "at least they're not filling middle earth with tits," which tells me they are trying to respect the source material on at least one front.

 

There is a problem with people saying they're "not respecting the source material" that basically boils down to "they cast people of color in the show" which I find problematic. Also the second age of middle earth is a time span of almost 3500 years that Tolkien only ever wrote like 100 pages of material about, which makes it perfect for high budget fan fiction, which is essentially what the show is and I'm perfectly fine with.

 

 

I have more hope for LotR than I do WoT.

 

I think WoT is one of, if not literally the, hardest literary work to translate to film, ever.

 

I've noticed that a lot of people who came to the series later don't fully appreciate just how complex the series is because they were able to read the series cover to cover without having to wait. 

 

I remember debating predictions and prophecies on Dragonmount for years. Things hinted at and foreshadowed in book 1 that didn't pay off until 4 million words and 20 years later.

 

Next to that, capturing that level of detail onscreen, even things like LotR and The Dark Tower seem relatively easy.

 

I have held off on watching season 1 because I want to get myself in the right head space of having zero expectations so I can maybe enjoy it as being simply a high budget Fantasy series rather than having any hopes of it living up to the books.

 

With LotR, I have more hope of enjoying it simply because, even though it will be tied to a beloved property, there is less direct source material for them to specifically fuck up.

 

I mean, even the stuff they might be pulling from...."This show doesn't live up to the narrative brilliance of the Silmarillion" said no one, ever :lol:

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To be fair to WoT, I have 10 or so friends/family that know nothing about the books and they all absolutely loved the show. Everyone that I know that the books was “I think this is actually pretty decent” until the last episode and then they got all pissed off. 
 

Im really curious to see how they do without a Covid interruption and without a major case member leaving mid season 

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5 hours ago, Chairslinger said:

I have more hope for LotR than I do WoT.

 

I think WoT is one of, if not literally the, hardest literary work to translate to film, ever.

 

I've noticed that a lot of people who came to the series later don't fully appreciate just how complex the series is because they were able to read the series cover to cover without having to wait. 

 

I remember debating predictions and prophecies on Dragonmount for years. Things hinted at and foreshadowed in book 1 that didn't pay off until 4 million words and 20 years later.

 

Next to that, capturing that level of detail onscreen, even things like LotR and The Dark Tower seem relatively easy.

 

I have held off on watching season 1 because I want to get myself in the right head space of having zero expectations so I can maybe enjoy it as being simply a high budget Fantasy series rather than having any hopes of it living up to the books.

 

With LotR, I have more hope of enjoying it simply because, even though it will be tied to a beloved property, there is less direct source material for them to specifically fuck up.

 

I mean, even the stuff they might be pulling from...."This show doesn't live up to the narrative brilliance of the Silmarillion" said no one, ever :lol:

 

WoT desperately needed an editor with a heavier hand. There's so much fluff, there's so much padding, there's so much much that is esoteric or frivolous, etc. It's not that the lore is too dense or that the series is that complicated, it's just that there are simply too many fucking words. Dude published almost 6,000 pages in about 6 years, there's no way to do that and have most of them be great. :p  The endings of the first few books don't make a lick of sense. So much is set up and never pays off or pays off poorly. Entire books are dedicated to the arcs of miserable characters; the entire affair would be better if Fails was blasted with balefire. As someone who's read the series more or less in real time since the Lord of Chaos... it's like every D&D GM that writes this sprawling campaign filled with granular depictions of the world but everyone spends most of their time kicking the shit out of kobolds. Verin being a rad character doesn't mean that the series isn't long mainly for the sake of being long, because it absolutely, 100% is.

 

Anyway  like I said in the WoT show thread, just imagine the show is on a different time around the wheel of the third age and you'll be fine :p

 

Regardless I hope the LotR show is more of the LotR movies and way less of The Hobbit, but who knows...

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So apparently they're basically compressing a lot of the events of the second age (which in the books take place over some ~1500 years) into a series that takes place over a couple hundred years. I'm fine with that.

 

A lot of nerds on the internet are pissed at the depiction of Galadriel as some plucky warrior. Well, I can out-nerd them. Galadriel before the Third Age was not Galadriel from the Lord of the Rings. She was not the reserved, wise Elf-lord. She rejected the mercy of the Valar because she essentially wanted to rule her own kingdom. She wanted power. She was prideful. And given that the books say basically nothing about her in the Second Age other than she lived in Lindon for a while before going to Eregion, where she eventually received a ring of power, before going to Lorien with Celeborn.

 

Basically, there is a lot of room to play around with her character.

 

I still think it looks a little too "generic CW fantasy with a big budget" for me, but I also still think everyone on the internet saying "bUt iT diSreSpeCtS tHe SoUrcE" are just mostly racists who hate that there's a black guy playing an Elf.

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8 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

I like it. I like that it looks like we'll get more perspectives of just regular folks in middle-Eearth. There are maybe like 4 named characters in the entirety of the Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit that aren't some kind of nobility.

 

Need to shrink that universe. First episode needs to end with a slow zoom-in to the main character. Someone asks her name, and she says "Phylis. Phylis Aragorn." Then everyone at home cheers.

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3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Need to shrink that universe. First episode needs to end with a slow zoom-in to the main character. Someone asks her name, and she says "Phylis. Phylis Aragorn." Then everyone at home cheers.

 

I hope Orlando Bloom shows up as Legolas and they give us zero explanation for why or how. 

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2 hours ago, TwinIon said:

Visually I think it's pretty good. It looks like a high budget fantasy show, with a lot of production design that is reminiscent of Jackson's trilogies.

 

Hope remains.

 

There were many beautiful and epic shots in that trailer that looked like they cost a lot to make or get. There were others that looked like mud. But yeah, high hopes still.

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Still need to know more about it to have a substantial reaction, but aside from the lack of the iconic score (which won't be in the series, unfortunately, or anything else directly connected to the six films) it's tough to not feel hyped imo - the passion for the source material is clearly felt and there's definitely several blockbuster films with worse cinematography and vfx than what's shown there. The abundance of Cgi instead of practical is a bummer, but also expected.  I'm cautiously optimistic.

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5 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said:

 

There were many beautiful and epic shots in that trailer that looked like they cost a lot to make or get. There were others that looked like mud. But yeah, high hopes still.

 

I thought most of it looked good but the one shot of the girl hanging from the wall looked fake to me, like I thought it was a CG movie including the actors type of fake. :p

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What the showrunners on this show have the rights to in terms of the books, and it's gonna make things interesting:

 

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Buckle up. This requires a Middle-earth history lesson.

 

"We have the rights solely to 'The Fellowship of the Ring,' 'The Two Towers,' 'The Return of the King,' the appendices, and 'The Hobbit.'" And that is it. We do not have the rights to 'The Silmarillion,' 'Unfinished Tales,' 'The History of Middle-earth,' or any of those other books."

 

I mean, that can be limiting to some degree. Their response:

 

"There's a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to. As long as we're painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don't have the rights to, there's a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with."

 

Well, we'll see I guess.

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Considering the amount of people who have actually forced themselves to finish The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and Histories of Middle earth is staggeringly small. They’ll be fine. As long as it “feels” like it belongs in the same world as the movies and tells a good story people will like it. No one cares what internet virgins who taught themselves elvish and make paper roses thinks. 

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2 hours ago, Mercury33 said:

Considering the amount of people who have actually forced themselves to finish The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and Histories of Middle earth is staggeringly small. They’ll be fine. As long as it “feels” like it belongs in the same world as the movies and tells a good story people will like it. No one cares what internet virgins who taught themselves elvish and make paper roses thinks. 

 

I agree with you, but it could be weird that they intentionally can't mention some things but I doubt it'll be a big deal.

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