brucoe Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Jason said: Do you think Biden will finally get on board with packing SCOTUS once this goes through? I suspect Biden is never going to get the opportunity. After the midterms, he'll be lucky to have enough senators on his side to effectively run a filibuster. Quote
Jason Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: We never were to begin with. Because we aborted Reconstruction before it was finished. Quote
mclumber1 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, brucoe said: Any time the words "forcing a woman to" begins at the start of a sentence, you're advocating for something that should never have become law. But America has never been about being concerned with a woman's perspective. And I suspect, we never will be. If Congress was able to override SCOTUS on the issue of slavery, they surely can override SCOTUS on the issue of abortion. Quote
Jason Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, brucoe said: I suspect Biden is never going to get the opportunity. After the midterms, he'll be lucky to have enough senators on his side to effectively run a filibuster. Is it naive optimism to think this coming into effect in June 2022 is perfect timing to galvanize D midterm turnout? 1 Quote
thewhyteboar Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Republicans hate women and children. 2 Quote
brucoe Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Jason said: Is it naive optimism to think this coming into effect in June 2022 is perfect timing to galvanize D turnout? We live in a current society of people who want instant gratification, and if they don't get it, they pretend the institutions of government don't exist. That's what's happening right now as we head into the midterms. People are pissed off because a slim majority of a broken Democrat Party isn't getting them first class service on all their wants and needs, so their response is turning to apathy and taking their ball home while holding their fingers in their ears. Unless the Democrats rally and rally hard, the Republicans are going to stomp them during the midterms, even though there's no rational reason that should happen for anything the Republicans have actually done in their own favor or interests. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jason said: But Justice Handmaiden is a woman, this isn't just men telling women what to do with their bodies! she will 100% be the principal author of the opinion overturning roe and casey Quote
Kal-El814 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: If Congress was able to override SCOTUS on the issue of slavery, they surely can override SCOTUS on the issue of abortion. Joke post? 1 Quote
mclumber1 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Kal-El814 said: Joke post? Nope. I'd rather not see RvW go away for logistical and moral reasons, but it was a bad decision based on faulty logic by the court 50 years ago. If women's rights are important (they are), then Congress can make a law that codifies that right Quote
Kal-El814 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, mclumber1 said: Nope. I'd rather not see RvW go away for logistical and moral reasons, but it was a bad decision based on faulty logic by the court 50 years ago. If women's rights are important (they are), then Congress can make a law that codifies that right If wishes were ponies... Quote
brucoe Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: If wishes were ponies... Wait, we're giving away ponies??? Quote
mclumber1 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 If the court does strike down Roe v Wade, that would surely galvanize Democratic voters in 2022, and possibly cause many single issue voters on the GOP side to stay home (hurr durr we won the abortion fight!), making it more likely for the Democrats to keep control of Congress. 1 Quote
Kal-El814 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, brucoe said: Wait, we're giving away ponies??? Quote
Chris- Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: If the court does strike down Roe v Wade, that would surely galvanize Democratic voters in 2022, and possibly cause many single issue voters on the GOP side to stay home (hurr durr we won the abortion fight!), making it more likely for the Democrats to keep control of Congress. LOL 3 Quote
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 At the very least, the viability standard is out the window. Quote
marioandsonic Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: If the court does strike down Roe v Wade, that would surely galvanize Democratic voters in 2022, and possibly cause many single issue voters on the GOP side to stay home (hurr durr we won the abortion fight!), making it more likely for the Democrats to keep control of Congress. This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. 2 Quote
mclumber1 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. I suppose so, since the Democratic party is a joke. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, mclumber1 said: I suppose so, since the Democratic party is a joke. you're a libertarian right Quote
mclumber1 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: you're a libertarian right Non-denominational. 1 Quote
Mr.Vic20 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 58 minutes ago, Jason said: But Justice Handmaiden is a woman, this isn't just men telling women what to do with their bodies! Nope it just happens to be the man version of God that whites love so much telling his faithful women to get their sisters back in line. Quote
CitizenVectron Posted December 1, 2021 Author Posted December 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: If Congress was able to override SCOTUS on the issue of slavery, they surely can override SCOTUS on the issue of abortion. 43 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Nope. I'd rather not see RvW go away for logistical and moral reasons, but it was a bad decision based on faulty logic by the court 50 years ago. If women's rights are important (they are), then Congress can make a law that codifies that right Oh, sweet summer child. "The system is designed to be able to fix these things, so therefore it is possible!" (ignores human element) 1 Quote
Kal-El814 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 “Doesn’t adoption eliminate the necessity of abortion,” is one of the most intellectually dishonest, most divorced from reality, cruel takes I can imagine, so naturally it came from Justice Handmaiden. Quote
osxmatt Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Apologies for my elementary understanding of checks and balances and coequal branches of government, but what exactly is the constitutional check on The Supreme Court? Quote
Firewithin Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, osxmatt said: Apologies for my elementary understanding of checks and balances and coequal branches of government, but what exactly is the constitutional check on The Supreme Court? nothing because everything in this shithole country is so fundamentally broken 1 Quote
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Apologies for my elementary understanding of checks and balances and coequal branches of government, but what exactly is the constitutional check on The Supreme Court? The Executive nominates. The Legislative confirms. The Legislative impeaches. There - those are your "constitutional checks" on the Supreme Court. 1 Quote
Massdriver Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Is it naive optimism to think this coming into effect in June 2022 is perfect timing to galvanize D midterm turnout? Dems are done in 2022. They don't know how to craft a coherent message and stay on point. This won't change what people think about Biden. 1 Quote
Jason Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Apologies for my elementary understanding of checks and balances and coequal branches of government, but what exactly is the constitutional check on The Supreme Court? SCOTUS justices are theoretically impeachable. 1 Quote
Jason Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Dems are done in 2022. They don't know how to craft a coherent message and stay on point. This won't change what people think about Biden. 1 3 Quote
brucoe Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The Executive nominates. The Legislative confirms. The Legislative impeaches. There - those are your "constitutional checks" on the Supreme Court. Also, and this is the important one, the Legislative enacts laws, including Constitutional Amendments, which the Supreme Court must follow (can overturn a law based on constitutionality, but not an Amendment because it IS the Constitution). It's why the Supreme Court was finally forced to decide for Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka. Quote
Jason Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jason said: SCOTUS justices are theoretically impeachable. @TyphoidHater I never said it's realistic, just what it's supposed to be in our stupid broken framework. 1 Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 Legislative and executive can in theory change the size and scope of the judiciary and the executive strictly speaking doesn't have to listen to the judicial branch Quote
Jwheel86 Posted December 1, 2021 Posted December 1, 2021 States where abortion stays legal should means test abortion access for out of state residents from where abortion is banned. Quote
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