Brian Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I feel like D1P needs to step up and add a đź‘ŽÂ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I actually think this is a good thing. Tons of videos get bombed with negative reactions as a means of bullying the creator of the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: I feel like D1P needs to step up and add a 👎  We had downvotes in the very early days, an account called “Punisher” got absolutely fucking shellacked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: I feel like D1P needs to step up and add a đź‘ŽÂ Â Absolutely not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Never really left a like or dislike before. Gonna start disliking every video now. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Well if it weren’t for that downvote. We would/might still be stuck with this monstrosity  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: I actually think this is a good thing. Tons of videos get bombed with negative reactions as a means of bullying the creator of the video. Â The downvote doesn't serve any real purpose other than harassing creators these days. Get a ton of dislikes and you're going to start trending because of "engagement". Also, YouTube doesn't work like a music service. Downvoting a video won't stop you from seeing more videos from that creator. The only way to do that is to block the entire channel from your feed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Listen, I only downvote videos that praise Dark Souls 2. I need them to know their opinions are wrong and that they shouldn't share them. In fact, they SHOULD be bullied for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonSnob Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Bring back the 5 star rating system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said:  We had downvotes in the very early days, an account called “Punisher” got absolutely fucking shellacked.  That's a name I haven't heard in a long time but remember all too well.  1 hour ago, silentbob said: Well if it weren’t for that downvote. We would/might still be stuck with this monstrosity   But then we wouldn't have gotten the Steve Buscemi version if they did it right the first time.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, SaysWho? said:  That's a name I haven't heard in a long time but remember all too well.   But then we wouldn't have gotten the Steve Buscemi version if they did it right the first time.  I think we have his costume picked for next year   Eyes also look like our (pretty sure) stoned out History Channel Alien friend  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I'd be really interested in seeing how this affects brigading. I would imagine that plenty of people that go out of their way to downvote videos or rate a movie they haven't seen on RT or IMDB like seeing that dislike tally climb or the average rating drop. If you're not getting that sense of collective action, it might well disincentivize the downvoters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Some videos literally have nothing wrong with them but people leave a dislike just to stand out I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I've seen a lot of creators get upset about this, somehow having the expectation that without a visible dislike count that bad videos will thrive. Â Â For those that don't speak Destiny, the quoted tweet is expecting this change to help proliferate fake guide videos and potentially spoiler filled videos that have been data-mined. Â I feel like creators are probably hyper aware of dislike counts, but as a viewer I ignore them. I never check the dislike ratio before watching a video, but I have no clue if that is typical or not. Partly I don't look at dislike counts because most of the videos I watch are from creators I follow or have watched before, so I have a pretty good idea of what to expect. I also don't check the ratio because I don't feel like it's a useful metric. The like/dislike ratio on a Verge video is probably more indicative of if they touch on anything mildly political. If I see a nearly 1:1 ratio on an IGN video, I have zero expectation that the bad ratio relates to the video itself, and probably has to do with some wider backlash to a game or a company or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Likes or dislikes don't even show up when you search for a video or on the main page, you can only see them when you get to a video and by then it's too late you're watching the video not looking at the dislikes or likes then watching the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Likes or dislikes don't even show up when you search for a video or on the main page, you can only see them when you get to a video and by then it's too late you're watching the video not looking at the dislikes or likes then watching the video. Â This is correct. This also wouldn't affect recommendeds. The dislikes are still there, just not visible when you've clicked on videos. Creators will still be able to view their dislikes as well. I don't get how this would affect anyone other than people that feel good seeing the ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, TwinIon said: I've seen a lot of creators get upset about this, somehow having the expectation that without a visible dislike count that bad videos will thrive. Â Â For those that don't speak Destiny, the quoted tweet is expecting this change to help proliferate fake guide videos and potentially spoiler filled videos that have been data-mined. Â I feel like creators are probably hyper aware of dislike counts, but as a viewer I ignore them. I never check the dislike ratio before watching a video, but I have no clue if that is typical or not. Partly I don't look at dislike counts because most of the videos I watch are from creators I follow or have watched before, so I have a pretty good idea of what to expect. I also don't check the ratio because I don't feel like it's a useful metric. The like/dislike ratio on a Verge video is probably more indicative of if they touch on anything mildly political. If I see a nearly 1:1 ratio on an IGN video, I have zero expectation that the bad ratio relates to the video itself, and probably has to do with some wider backlash to a game or a company or whatever. Â I saw a similar viewpoint on reddit yesterday about how it will make it impossible to know before you waste your time watching whether a programming tutorial guide actually teaches what it claims to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jason said: Â I saw a similar viewpoint on reddit yesterday about how it will make it impossible to know before you waste your time watching whether a programming tutorial guide actually teaches what it claims to. The valid criticisms I've seen revolve around tutorials or whether a history video or something similar is actually right wing trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Mostly when it comes to some mobile shit, but there are so many unhelpful mobile tuts that claim to fix your issue but are nearly total bullshit. The equivalent of turning your phone on and off. You can 100% rely on the dislike ratio to see if you should stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 But...but...if they remove the dislikes, I won't get any feedback on my channel at all! Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, brucoe said: But...but...if they remove the dislikes, I won't get any feedback on my channel at all! Â Â Don't worry, the uploader can still see the dislike count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TwinIon Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 MKBHD (a top tech YouTuber) put out a video saying he doesn't like the changes. Â Â He argues the ratio is useful in determining the usefulness of a video. He specifically calls out YouTube as a search engine (it's the second biggest, right after Google itself), but as @Keyser_Soze points out, you really only see the ratio after you've landed. If had made like ratios more visible throughout the UI, I'd be much more willing to buy into this argument. Â Then again, I'm willing to buy into the argument that a lot of people use YouTube differently than I do, and it makes sense to me that creators or others that spend a lot of time on YouTube, are more aware of these metrics and check them out constantly. I'd also be willing to guess that most YouTube views are like mine, basically never checking the ratio at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Removing the dislike button is a huge win for YouTube. Their goal is to keep you engaged as long as possible and deliver as many ads to you as possible. Example: Click on this how to video, sit through two 15 second ads, oh this video blatantly lied in the title and has no answers for you. You spent 3 or 4 minutes watching it so now the next video you click on is sure to play more ads. Slime ball move by YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, DarkStar189 said: sit through two 15 second ads  I havent seen a you tube ad in ages. Do people not use ad block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/12/2021 at 12:59 PM, TwinIon said: MKBHD (a top tech YouTuber) put out a video saying he doesn't like the changes. Â Â He argues the ratio is useful in determining the usefulness of a video. He specifically calls out YouTube as a search engine (it's the second biggest, right after Google itself), but as @Keyser_Soze points out, you really only see the ratio after you've landed. If had made like ratios more visible throughout the UI, I'd be much more willing to buy into this argument. Â Then again, I'm willing to buy into the argument that a lot of people use YouTube differently than I do, and it makes sense to me that creators or others that spend a lot of time on YouTube, are more aware of these metrics and check them out constantly. I'd also be willing to guess that most YouTube views are like mine, basically never checking the ratio at all. Â That's what I don't get. The ratio use only available to you after you've already chosen to play a video. Also, I can't imagine there are that many people that do pay attention to the ratio but also don't use ad block or subscribe you YouTube Red. Â Videos with a poor ratio are already going to be deprioritized in your search. Unless you're playing the "I wonder what's on page two of my Google search results" game, I don't see how it would ever really come into play. I think MKBHD is a little out of touch on this one. He's big enough that he doesn't have to worry about dying as a creator because trolls are ratio-ing his videos to page three of the search results. Also, yes, I know YouTube does infinite scrolling, but you all know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I personally find ratio or downvote count worthless now a days on youtube. People keep saying you can just check on a tutorial if the downvote count is high that it's bad yet I've crossed many bad tutorials that had very low vote counts and the up votes were higher than downvotes yet the comments had a good number of people calling out that the video didn't actually solve or do anything (which happen to be the case for me as well, it was to reset a surface pen to get it working).  If you look at so many news snippets on youtube they just a flood of downvotes because people are just out to express "MSM is full of lies" or "COVID is a hoax". The up/down votes are completely worthless in this situation.  I also would have to say the way people talk like sonic movie was fixed because of the downvoting of the video isn't really the full story/true. It was the backlash on twitter, news articles etc that caused for change, not simply just because the video was downvoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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