AbsolutSurgen Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 With these demographics, I can easily see the NDP replacing the Liberals as the biggest left-of-centre party in the next 20 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 Great discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Bryan is a turd who recently complained about the "acceptability" of the LPC winning 2019 with fewer votes to people complaining about Clinton losing 2016 with more votes. He then ignored everyone pointing out that Parliament is a series of 338 elections (similar to the US House), while the Presidential election is an election of a single person taking place inside a very flawed electoral system. I take anything he says with a giant grain of salt (like Frank Graves on the opposite end, from Ekos). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 Also these aren't normal protests. They are hurling stones, slurs, and death threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Hm seems like right wing fascist rhetoric and politics doesn't care about national borders but Canada is somewhat insulated because of your flawed electoral system rather than locked into it like we are with our broken system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Also these aren't normal protests. They are hurling stones, slurs, and death threats. Almost up to this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 And that deserves coverage as well! Also important to note the reason behind protests, riots, or harassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 IVR polls continue to show the CPC ahead (and PPC making big gains), while online seem to indicate a Liberal rebound. Will be interesting to see when/if both types converge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 Lol that's pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 Both are seeing strong PPC, which is bleeding support from CPC (8% and 6%, in their polls). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chakoo Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 #3 is a big question for me, where were the officers around and if they were why didn't we see them going after the people throwing stuff? #2 I think is obvious because these people want to shutdown any stop and they did shutdown 1 stop due to safety concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, chakoo said: #3 is a big question for me, where were the officers around and if they were why didn't we see them going after the people throwing stuff? #2 I think is obvious because these people want to shutdown any stop and they did shutdown 1 stop due to safety concerns. Stops shouldn't be run in a way that has protestors near the PM. If a protestor is near enough to be able to throw a piece of gravel at the PM, the RCMP has "done fucked up". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Stops shouldn't be run in a way that has protestors near the PM. If a protestor is near enough to be able to throw a piece of gravel at the PM, the RCMP has "done fucked up". I don't disagree that the RCMP fucked up. I'm just stating the obvious to #2 which was not about protestors near the PM but more just why are stops still happening where there are protestors. The RCMP needs to step up the security a lot as these people are getting worse day by day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Twitter taught me today that there are inflation-deniers. Government deficits don't matter because they can print as much money as they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Twitter taught me today that there are inflation-deniers. Government deficits don't matter because they can print as much money as they want. Deficits aren't inflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Deficits aren't inflation. Printing money causes inflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 PPC are a bunch of shitstains. As for the protest stuff...yeah, I think it's widely understood in Canada that the RCMP are horrible at every single thing they do (and have been since pre-confederation). They really do need to be abolished and all officers and management fired. Convert to provincial/regional police or restart a national police force from the ground up. The most glaring recent example is how the RCMP knew for hours that the Nova Scotia shooter was driving around in a fake RCMP cruiser shooting people, and they sent out no information. The shooting went on for what, 12-18 hours? And no one at the RCMP has been held responsible, and there has been no proper internal or government inquest. The whole institution is rotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Printing money causes inflation. Spending money in the face of physical constraints like full employment or scarce resources causes inflation, not spending in and of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Spending money in the face of physical constraints like full employment or scarce resources causes inflation, not spending in and of itself. Printing money causes inflation -- in which the government prints actual money, in order to fund spending, causes inflation. I never said deficits necessarily cause inflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Printing money causes inflation -- in which the government prints actual money, in order to fund spending, causes inflation. I never said deficits necessarily cause inflation. 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Twitter taught me today that there are inflation-deniers. Government deficits don't matter because they can print as much money as they want. Not hard to see why I got the impression that "deficits cause inflation" from "deficits caused by 'printing money' to pay for spending causes inflation". But authorizations for spending aren't tantamount to printing money. Anyway, deficits don't matter, inflation does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 All politicians should have stuff thrown at them every now and again just to keep 'em on their toes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 I think national polls (even in 2019) in Canada are pretty accurate. But using them to predict seat outcome is not. Only one poll, but the TVA debate might have hurt O'Toole more than thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I think national polls (even in 2019) in Canada are pretty accurate. But using them to predict seat outcome is not. Only one poll, but the TVA debate might have hurt O'Toole more than thought? Maybe. The regional splits in these polls just don't have enough participants to be reliable. For example, the current Ekos daily tracker (Sept 7th) shows the Liberals at 33% in Quebec -- the day before it was 26%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Fact check: have GHG emissions risen under Trudeau? | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The NDP went on the attack against Justin Trudeau and the Liberals on climate change Tuesday, saying that emissions have grown since 2016 when the government ratified the Paris Climate agreement. But is this true? It is true -- GHG emissions have risen under Trudeau. It is also true that GHG emissions fell under Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 39 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Fact check: have GHG emissions risen under Trudeau? | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The NDP went on the attack against Justin Trudeau and the Liberals on climate change Tuesday, saying that emissions have grown since 2016 when the government ratified the Paris Climate agreement. But is this true? It is true -- GHG emissions have risen under Trudeau. It is also true that GHG emissions fell under Harper. The point is if they've slowed the rise (which is the goal, until they eventually peak and fall a lot). I'm not an expert so I can't comment on how successful measures have been...but this sort of framing is disingenuous. They fell under Harper because of the massive recessions he inherited, and they rose under Trudeau because the economy was recovering when he came in. But recessions and pandemics and everything else are temporary things, the long-term effects of actual measures to reduce GHG emissions (like taxes, tariffs, regulations, bringing in more renewables, etc) are bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 Just realized that they scheduled the English debate during the first night of Thursday Night Football. What were they thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 Trends from a few pollsters today, regionally: PPC up everywhere, passing 10% in polls in AB and ON. Stealing some votes from CPC, but also from Greens BQ dropping Quebec, with both CPC and NDP benefiting (with LPC still in lead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AbsolutSurgen Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Trends from a few pollsters today, regionally: PPC up everywhere, passing 10% in polls in AB and ON. Stealing some votes from CPC, but also from Greens BQ dropping Quebec, with both CPC and NDP benefiting (with LPC still in lead) PPC is doing very well in certain polls. Very poorly in others. Where are you seeing BQ falling? They have been hovering in the same range on both Mainstreet and Ekos for the past week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 Ekos today showed a decline, as well as Mainstreet. MS has them in 4th now, Ekos has them in 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Ekos today showed a decline, as well as Mainstreet. MS has them in 4th now, Ekos has them in 3rd. It's all well within the MOE for their regional splits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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