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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 US believes Putin has decided to invade Ukraine, Biden tells Nato leaders | Ukraine | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Invasion could come within a few days, diplomats say after White House holds situation room meeting Quote Joe Biden has told other Nato and EU leaders that the US believes Vladimir Putin has decided to carry out an invasion of Ukraine, which could happen in the next few days, according to diplomatic sources. Biden’s call to allies followed a situation room meeting at the White House to discuss the latest intelligence on the Russian military buildup, and on Putin’s thinking. The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, said on Friday there were “very troubling signs of Russian escalation”. “We’re in a window when an invasion could begin at any time – and to be clear, that includes during the Olympics,” Blinken said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 WWII has basically passed out of living memory—it's not surprising that people who have never lived through large-scale war are going to let it happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 Also...what do we think are the chances of at least some connection of the timing of the large-scale "trucker" protests in North America/Europe with this? My bet is that Russia has been fomenting/supporting this for months and triggered it to happen now in order to create more chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Also...what do we think are the chances of at least some connection of the timing of the large-scale "trucker" protests in North America/Europe with this? My bet is that Russia has been fomenting/supporting this for months and triggered it to happen now in order to create more chaos. It would certainly fit the Russian playbook to foment domestic chaos in NATO countries to try to distract us from their military adventurism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 Well, it goes without saying, but I hope this doesn't spiral out of control. I certainly am not prepared for nuclear war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 Another question: how soon after Russian conquers 1/2 (or all) of Ukraine do conservatives in the west start to say that Ukraine deserved it, or that their life might be better now under Putin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Well, it goes without saying, but I hope this doesn't spiral out of control. I certainly am not prepared for nuclear war. It's never too late to stock up on bottlecaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, Jason said: It's never too late to stock up on bottlecaps. I already live in Las Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Depending on what happens, I expect Poland to be on the receiving end of a massive humanitarian refugee crisis, with Ukrainians fleeing across the border to escape Russian invasion. I guess it all depends on what Russia does (make it clear they are only taking the east, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: Depending on what happens, I expect Poland to be on the receiving end of a massive humanitarian refugee crisis, with Ukrainians fleeing across the border to escape Russian invasion. I guess it all depends on what Russia does (make it clear they are only taking the east, etc). That's the immediate expectation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 Hey everyone remember The End of History?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Hey everyone remember The End of History?! I bet Fukuyama regrets that title every waking moment of his life now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Can’t wait for the American trucker protest which is mostly going to be Jeep’s and lifted 80k ford overcompensators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: I would trust that mustache with my life tbh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 Israel and US are evacuating embassy staff from Kyiv. Edit - and Russian embassy as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: I understand why the UK would do this, it's just an odd statement to hear - as if they are tucking their tail between their legs. (Obviously not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Everything I've seen is that Russia will invade Ukraine within the next 2 weeks , and if they don't by then, then it probably won't happen. The thing that fucks me up is that Russia has to know that Ukraine's strategy will basically be like Finland in the winter war. "We know we can't win a protracted fight, but every inch will have to be paid for in blood." The Winter War was kind of a pyrrhic victory for Russia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Everything I've seen is that Russia will invade Ukraine within the next 2 weeks , and if they don't by then, then it probably won't happen. The thing that fucks me up is that Russia has to know that Ukraine's strategy will basically be like Finland in the winter war. "We know we can't win a protracted fight, but every inch will have to be paid for in blood." The Winter War was kind of a pyrrhic victory for Russia. An alternate take on the "Finlandization" talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jason said: An alternate take on the "Finlandization" talk. What's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Just now, Fizzzzle said: What's that? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/09/world/europe/finlandization-ukraine-russia-nato.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 It's not even going to be remotely close to the "Winter War". Outside of a few thousand (if that) die-hard nationalists, the vast majority of the Ukrainian military will shrug their shoulders, simply decide that "This shit ain't worth it", and melt away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's not even going to be remotely close to the "Winter War". Outside of a few thousand (if that) die-hard nationalists, the vast majority of the Ukrainian military will shrug their shoulders, simply decide that "This shit ain't worth it", and melt away. I hope that's the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: I hope that's the case. Furthermore, the Russian military objectives are going to be largely limited to the Russian-speaking eastern oblasts. I would be shocked if they actually had any designs on Kyiv itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 Artillery in Crimea has been moved to target Ukraine, and is in firing position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 No idea how we have this intel, but... Note, this isn't "Putin told his commanders to attack on the 16th." It's "be prepared in case you get the order." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, CayceG said: No idea how we have this intel, but... Note, this isn't "Putin told his commanders to attack on the 16th." It's "be prepared in case you get the order." Putin accidentally sent to his entire distribution list and cc'd Biden. Classic email mistake! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Putin accidentally sent to his entire distribution list and cc'd Biden. Classic email mistake! The "undo send" function in gmail has saved me a time or two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 It's going to be interesting to see how well the rest of the world keeps to their word on sanctions and ending existing deals with Russia after they invade. If they fail then I really think China will finally make their move on Taiwan in the not too distant future (HK has been a warmup). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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