Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 13 hours ago, CayceG said: I don't believe it. I don't believe that the Kremlin has the intention of invading. What I do believe is that they have a contingency plan in place if they decide they need to launch an invasion. That does not mean they will do it, want to do it, or intend on doing it. The Western press has revealed it really has no clue when it comes to reporting on geopolitics involving non-Western countries. It’s bad with Russia and worse with China. On the latter subject even non-mainstream outlets who are typically skeptical of the ‘consensus narrative’ have no idea what’s really going on. Hence why the whole press corps, from the NYT to ZeroHedge, still think the Chinese viewed Trump as some kind of ‘threat’, when the Chinese leadership and the Chinese population in general were more supportive of him than they’ve been of any president since Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 38 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: The Western press has revealed it really has no clue when it comes to reporting on geopolitics involving non-Western countries. It’s bad with Russia and worse with China. On the latter subject even non-mainstream outlets who are typically skeptical of the ‘consensus narrative’ have no idea what’s really going on. Hence why the whole press corps, from the NYT to ZeroHedge, still think the Chinese viewed Trump as some kind of ‘threat’, when the Chinese leadership and the Chinese population in general were more supportive of him than they’ve been of any president since Clinton. You just have to look at how few foreign press offices there are compared to 50 years ago. Now you have people like Lopez writing stories about countries they've never visited, instead of veteran reporters who have lived and worked in those places for a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: You just have to look at how few foreign press offices there are compared to 50 years ago. Now you have people like Lopez writing stories about countries they've never visited, instead of veteran reporters who have lived and worked in those places for a decade. "if it's important we'll pick it up on the wire" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Notice who that tweet is from. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Very important to win the meme war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fizzzzle Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 That can't be real, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Jason said: Ironically, this inadvertently shows why, for all the Western distortions of the issue’s complexities, it would still be foolish and unwarranted for Russia to annex more of Ukraine, and why Ukraine would still be dumb to poke the bear by not keeping the Eastern rebels under control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Guess who's getting sold out by the US? Eastern Europe urges Nato unity in Biden talks with Russia | Europe | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Concern among officials about US reaching ‘accommodation’ with Putin over Ukraine Quote Joe Biden’s announcement that a group of Nato countries will hold talks with Moscow has caused concern on the alliance’s eastern flank, where members close to Russia have long insisted that any agreements about European security must not be negotiated over their heads. Officials in Poland and other eastern Nato countries have privately bristled at Biden’s description of seeking an “accommodation” with Russia, worrying that any trade-off could increase the danger they face from an expansionist Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Guess who's getting sold out by the US? Eastern Europe urges Nato unity in Biden talks with Russia | Europe | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Concern among officials about US reaching ‘accommodation’ with Putin over Ukraine When you find out you are on the council but weren't granted the rank of master. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 The head of the Estonian parliament's foreign affairs committee is not amused: Quote "I hope I'm wrong but I smell 'Munich' here," Marko Mihkelson, head of the foreign affairs committee of Estonia's parliament, told the Financial Times in reference to the 1938 agreement in Europe to try to avoid conflict with Nazi Germany by ceding the Sudetenland. "Starting talks under the guns [of Ukraine] about the future of Nato, or even more so about involving Russia in the European security architecture with a veto right — this is completely the wrong way and will ignite appetite for further aggression," Mihkelson added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 12/3/2021 at 9:48 AM, Commissar SFLUFAN said: In fact, NONE of the former Warsaw Pact states should be in NATO: not Poland, not Hungary, not Czechia, not Slovakia, not Romania, not Bulgaria. Yes, I'm well aware that's my pro-Western European, anti-Slav/Magyar/Romanian bias talking, but I don't give a shit One day when we're face to face you'll have to explain this one to me. It's always mystified me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 So seriously though, just exactly how worried should we be about all of this? My local military base has for years now had a continued presence along the Ukrainian border, which itself is tense to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, SoberChef said: So seriously though, just exactly how worried should we be about all of this? Not in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 Quote The US has information that indicates Russia has prepositioned a group of operatives to conduct a false-flag operation in eastern Ukraine, a US official told CNN on Friday, in an attempt to create a pretext for an invasion. Quote The official said the US has evidence that the operatives are trained in urban warfare and in using explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia's own proxy forces. Quote "The Russian military plans to begin these activities several weeks before a military invasion, which could begin between mid-January and mid-February," the official said. "We saw this playbook in 2014 with Crimea." Quote The US has also seen Russian influence actors begin to prime Russian audiences for an intervention, the official said, including by emphasizing narratives about the deterioration of human rights in Ukraine and increased militancy of Ukrainian leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Maybe, but: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Maybe, but: Hey atleast Russia actually has WMDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 You mean "again" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I believe that the US has been handed this intel from Ukraine. I don't believe that this makes it necessarily incorrect, but we should be doing our due diligence and it doesn't seem that we are. But that doesn't mean it's out of the realm of possibility that it is true. Provocations can come from army units too--like in Georgia. The group that is allegedly prepositioned is a special operations urban warfare group. They do more than just provocations. If they are there, that doesn't mean this supposed purpose is a slam dunk. Although, looking at the wider situation, the talks with the US have failed and I don't know that anyone knows what comes next. The avenues for a diplomatic solution are decreasing quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Whatever. All Eastern Slavic states should be united under some sort of union of republics anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 A cold dose of reality for all parties: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 The United States and Western Europe have zero strategic interests in Ukraine. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The United States and Western Europe have zero strategic interests in Ukraine. End of story. It's the unfortunate reality for Ukrainians. It's about time the US (and west) move on from promoting "freedom" and self-determination as something they will actually support. The reality is that most of the world can't be "saved" by euro-centric ideals, even if we consider them to be good ideals. Unless the west is willing to start wars, it can't protect these types of places, and shouldn't give them hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: It's the unfortunate reality for Ukrainians. It's about time the US (and west) move on from promoting "freedom" and self-determination as something they will actually support. The reality is that most of the world can't be "saved" by euro-centric ideals, even if we consider them to be good ideals. Unless the west is willing to start wars, it can't protect these types of places, and shouldn't give them hope. Absolutely 100%! The US and Western Europe should be encouraging Ukraine, Georgia, et al. to seek accommodation with Moscow because that's the only way they're ever going to have any sense of stability and security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 https://twitter.com/MsftSecIntel/status/1482543129454686215 Putin doing l33t haxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 Russia Thins Out Its Embassy in Ukraine, a Possible Clue to Putin’s Next Move - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The slow evacuation may be part propaganda, part preparation for a conflict or part feint, Ukrainian and U.S. officials say. It could be all three. Apparently mostly children and spouses of Russian embassy officials going back to Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Expedition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The Ukrainian president was rather displeased with what Biden said at his press conference: Ukrainian President pushes back on Biden: 'There are no minor incursions' WWW.CNN.COM Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky publicly pushed back Thursday on US President Joe Biden's comments that a "minor incursion" by Russia into Ukraine would prompt a lesser response than a full-scale invasion, in an implicit rebuke of Biden's comments. Quote Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky publicly pushed back Thursday on US President Joe Biden's comments that a "minor incursion" by Russia into Ukraine would prompt a lesser response than a full-scale invasion, in an implicit rebuke of Biden's comments. "We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Zelensky wrote on Twitter in an apparent response Biden's remarks on Wednesday. "Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Ukraine: US offers Putin summit with Biden in effort to stop slide to war | Ukraine | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Move comes amid ‘frank and substantive’ talks in Geneva and announcement by Russia of new military exercises Quote The US has offered to hold a summit between Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin as a last-ditch effort to stop the slide to a new war in Europe, as Russia continued to build up its forces along the Ukraine border and announced new naval exercises in the Black Sea. The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, said Washington and its allies were also ready to respond in writing next week to Russian demands on the future of Nato and European security, which Moscow has said must be addressed to avoid it taking “military measures”. But, speaking in Geneva where he held talks with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov, Blinken repeated the US and Nato position there could still be no compromise on the central issue of the right of Ukraine and other countries to join Nato in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 My buddy in Kyiv says he doesn't think the Russians are going to invade. It's being talked about, but he's sort of low on anything happening. He previously was displaced from his hometown of Donetsk in 2014 when the Russians took that city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 This is a really well done article (especially on mobile): /whats-going-on-at-russian-military-bases-near-ukraine-bypass-service-worker/assets/QvvyeSm5Va/fallback-2560x1440.jpeg What's going on at Russia-Ukraine border - and where is Moscow hiding its tanks and missiles? NEWS.SKY.COM The largest temporary Russian base near the Ukrainian border has seen more activity, according to an analysis of the latest satellite imagery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 21 hours ago, CayceG said: My buddy in Kyiv says he doesn't think the Russians are going to invade. It's being talked about, but he's sort of low on anything happening. He previously was displaced from his hometown of Donetsk in 2014 when the Russians took that city. I'm guessing not a straight invasion but i wouldn't be surprised if there was sabotage on infrastructure and other fuckery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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