Michael Avenatti Says He's Officially "Exploring" a Presidential Run

[SaysWho?]

2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

He's not registered with either party and is an independent, he attended both conventions in 2000 and publically stated he voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

 

I didn't know this at all. I remember years ago something about him leaning left on social issues but probably more right on economic issues, but he's been an enigma for me.

 

Maybe I missed something this obvious.  

[Spork3245]

2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I didn't know this at all. I remember years ago something about him leaning left on social issues but probably more right on economic issues, but he's been an enigma for me.

 

Maybe I missed something this obvious.  

 

Yea, I think if anything he's an "old school" Republican which is basically a centrist democrat today...? But he's not affiliated with either party and considers himself "independent" afaik.  

He's supposedly friends with Obama, but also Chris Christie... so... he's Bruce Springsteen?  

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Yea, I think if anything he's an "old school" Republican which is basically a centrist democrat today...? But he's not affiliated with either party and considers himself "independent" afaik.  

 

I looked it up and he is (GQ profile he did). He also supports March For Our Lives.

 

 

 

And he supports people who protest in the NFL and doesn't feel Trump understands the meaning of the protests.

 

Yeah, for years I figured he was a moderate Republican, but I'm pretty sure he was left-of-center and is more old-school in that. Good catch, I learned something now that I googled after your post.  

[RedSoxFan9]

10 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Who do you think showed up to the health care town halls en masse and completely changed the conversation, exactly? Or the significant increase in people becoming candidates, or joined gun control activist groups?

 

The Resistance isn't a club with a membership.

 

I see

[Kal-El814]

25 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

The Resistance isn't a club with a membership.

Maybe it should be.

 

@SFLUFAN should we come up with a membership structure, referral program, and dues? 

[SaysWho?]

Just now, Kal-El814 said:

Maybe it should be.

 

@SFLUFAN should we come up with a membership structure, referral program, and dues? 

 

Too late.

 

You're part of it.  

 

No doubt Wade was surrounded by them and was them this weekend!

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Too late.

 

You're part of it.  

 

No doubt Wade was surrounded by them and was them this weekend!

The Revolutionary Communist Party that I found myself among would probably beat to death anyone who dared call them members of #TheResistance

[SaysWho?]

Just now, SFLUFAN said:

The Revolutionary Communist Party that I found myself among would probably beat to death anyone who dared call them members of #TheResistance

 

I doubt they would have done that.  

 

But I do know they are resisting what Trump is protecting and encouraging so they, like it or not, wear that badge.

[Spork3245]

28 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

Good catch, I learned something now that I googled after your post.  

 

 

I try   

[Chris-]

I have a hard time understanding what some of you want...The #Resistance is dumb and useless, establishment Democrats are dumb and useless, anything and anyone that doesn't fit some narrow and ill-defined template is dumb and useless. You can talk about how annoying 'hopeful people' are all you want, but to me unyielding cynicism is far more grating (and ultimately self-defeating).

 

At a certain point you simply have to get out of the way, because jeering only goes so far.

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

3 minutes ago, Chris- said:

but to me unyielding cynicism is far more grating (and ultimately self-defeating).

Have you tried it?  I think you'll find that it's rather liberating!

[Jason]

 

[RedSoxFan9]

I’m very sorry if my criticism of shitty people is grating.

 

Also, where did Medicare-for-all and abolish ICE come from?

[Jason]

4 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

I honestly don’t know what a qualified presidential candidate looks like other than someone who was the governor of a state.

 

Maybe CEO of a large publicly-owned corporation (not "dictator of a shitty family business who decided to call himself the CEO")? You have experience running a large organization, you have experience having to synthesize potentially competing advice into a course of action, getting buy-in for that course of action, and being the one on the hook to the board/shareholders/etc if that course of action fails.

 

4 hours ago, Chris- said:

The fact you guys are even having this argument proves that Trump has lowered the bar for candidates as opposed to raising it, and if our response to Trump’s incompetence is, ‘Hey, this lawyer guy is pretty fucking smart, he could be President!’ then let’s just burn everything down now. 

 

How is it letting Trump lower the bar to point out that many previous presidents and "top-tier" candidates have been "unqualified" by the standards people are throwing around in here?

[SaysWho?]

8 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

I’m very sorry if my criticism of shitty people is grating.

 

Also, where did Medicare-for-all and abolish ICE come from?

 

How are they shitty people? 

 

Do you actually think there's no overlap between Democratic-Socialists and #TheResistance?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

How are they shitty people? 

 

Do you actually think there's no overlap between Democratic-Socialists and #TheResistance?

In my experience it's DSA members who love to say to any right-ish person who is even remotely critical of trump to say "x... Welcome to the resistance"

[RedSoxFan9]

36 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

How are they shitty people? 

 

Do you actually think there's no overlap between Democratic-Socialists and #TheResistance?

 

There is zero overlap.  I honestly don’t think you know what the #resistance is either. 

 

If you need an example, people on the left don’t cheer for a rotten organization like the FBI whereas the #resistance has showered Comey with praise. 

[SaysWho?]

Just now, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

There is zero overlap.  I honestly don’t think you know what the #resistance is either. 

 

If you need an example, DSA members don’t cheer for a rotten organization like the FBI whereas the #resistance has showered Comey with praise. 

 

If you think there's zero overlap, then you're not as well-versed on this whole thing as I thought.

[RedSoxFan9]

4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

If you think there's zero overlap, then you're not as well-versed on this whole thing as I thought.

 

Ok post an example that shows I’m wrong

[SaysWho?]

Just now, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

Ok post an example that shows I’m wrong

 

 

 

Now please post and describe how one group and one movement (as that's what they are) are antithetical to each other, especially since the DSA, similar to the Resistance movement, are socially progressive, single-payer advocates who vehemently oppose Trump's immigration policies.

[RedSoxFan9]

Would have been nice if you posted links instead of headlines.

 

The #resistance wouldn’t care about immigration if a Democrat was doing the same stuff.  Also, I don’t know where you got the idea that they support single-payer uniformly.

[SaysWho?]

2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

Would have been nice if you posted links instead of headlines.

 

The #resistance wouldn’t care about immigration if a Democrat was doing the same stuff.  Also, I don’t know where you got the idea that they support single-payer uniformly.

 

Ah yes, because you can't tell from the picture that the DSA's own web site is talking about keeping up The Resistance and talks about the highly attended Woman's March that was supported by #TheResistance. Don't debate in bad faith; nobody reading this is stupid.

 

 

For health care, this comes from the site theresistanceparty.org:

 

 

There's overlap. There are very few DSA supporters I know who don't #resist. Maybe you think it's edgy or something to call a bunch of your allies (inb4 no they're not because x y and z) terrible people, but as @Chris- said, the self-defeating cynicism isn't a strategy and doesn't make sense, especially since your positions are in conflict with reality.

[RedSoxFan9]

11 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

Ah yes, because you can't tell from the picture that the DSA's own web site is talking about keeping up The Resistance and talks about the highly attended Woman's March that was supported by #TheResistance. Don't debate in bad faith; nobody reading this is stupid.

 

Believe it or not some people like reading more than the headline.  I wasn’t doubting that it came from the DSA website lol

 

 

 

 

[SaysWho?]

4 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

Believe it or not some people like reading more than the headline

 

34 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

Ok post an example that shows I’m wrong

 

I feel like you posted that thinking nothing would be found, especially so quickly, and now you're pretending you don't know Google.

 

https://www.dsausa.org/how_to_sustain_the_resistance_to_trump_and_win

 

Quote

The Resistance Movement against Trump has been powerful —  but how do we keep it going?

 

We are in the midst of one of the largest social movements of our time, with record numbers engaged after decades of demobilization. The Women’s March was the largest single day of protest in American history, with about four million people participating.

 

To help the tens of thousands of people who are eager to resist Trump, we’ve developed Resistance Guide, a short handbook with the analysis, skills, and tools to sustain a resistance powerful enough to win.

 

Erica Chenoweth, a leading scholar in the field of civil resistance, has collected data showing that nearly every month since Trump’s inauguration, there have been thousands of protests involving millions of people across the country.

 

We have witnessed an emergence of activity around the fight against the Republican assault on healthcare, the repeal of DACA, the Muslim ban, the surge of white supremacy in Charlottesville, and the United States’ departure from the leading global climate change accords.

 

Clearly no overlap.

 

Now are you done stalling? You've done nothing to substantiate any of your claims ITT. Either admit you're wrong that there's no overlap between a movement that's resisting Trump's policies and worldview and an ideology that runs contrary to just about everything Trump stands for, or do something more than headline one-liners.

[RedSoxFan9]

14 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

There's overlap. There are very few DSA supporters I know who don't #resist. Maybe you think it's edgy or something to call a bunch of your allies (inb4 no they're not because x y and z) terrible people, but as @Chris- said, the self-defeating cynicism isn't a strategy and doesn't make sense, especially since your positions are in conflict with reality.

 

There real differences between leftists and liberals.  I don’t criticize liberals because I think it’s cool and edgy.  Liberals are never going to work for the political goals I value. 

 

But it by all means keep going.  You’re only a step away from psychologizing 

 

 

[SaysWho?]

7 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

There real differences between leftists and liberals.  I don’t criticize liberals because I think it’s cool and edgy.  Liberals are never going to work for the political goals I value. 

 

But it by all means keep going.  You’re only a step away from psychologizing 

 

 

 

So you didn't actually want a link, or to read past the headline. Cool.

[RedSoxFan9]

14 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

Now are you done stalling? You've done nothing to substantiate any of your claims ITT. Either admit you're wrong that there's no overlap between a movement that's resisting Trump's policies and worldview and an ideology that runs contrary to just about everything Trump stands for, or do something more than headline one-liners.

 

#resistance is the liberal version of #tcot.  It does not encompass everyone does some form of resisting.  I don’t know why I’m arguing this when it appears no one else knows what the #resistance is. 

 

If you want to see the difference I’m talking about, look at Eric Garland’s timeline which will be filled with Russia garbage and then read the DSA guide to resisting. 

[Chris-]

15 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

There real differences between leftists and liberals.  I don’t criticize liberals because I think it’s cool and edgy.  Liberals are never going to work for the political goals I value. 

 

How are leftist political goals fulfilled without liberals? I'm genuinely curious how you see the DSA and/or their platform achieving prominence while bypassing the majority of the Democratic Party.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of men. - Friedrich Nietzsche

[RedSoxFan9]

3 minutes ago, Chris- said:

 

How are leftist political goals fulfilled without liberals?

 

By moving them to the left.  Groups like dsa admit it’s a long term process.

 

The Koch brothers are good example of how society can be changed with a long term plan.  Their economics were considered a joke among Republicans a few decades ago and now we have “reasonable” Republicans proposing to eliminate capital gains tax. 

[SaysWho?]

22 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

By moving them to the left.  Groups like dsa admit it’s a long term process.

 

The Koch brothers are good example of how society can be changed with a long term plan.  Their economics were considered a joke among Republicans a few decades ago and now we have “reasonable” Republicans proposing to eliminate capital gains tax. 

 

I really don't think you know the resistance as you think since it's a movement with overlap to the DSA, and even if the heads of the dsa view things differently, it doesn't omit an overlap of people, as evident by mutual support of the women's match.

 

However, THIS is the kind of response I wanted to hear. You're more than capable of illustrating your views; I want to get a feel of your politics and am willing to hear you out. This is an example of the short term vision that many Democrats have that the dsa doesn't lack, and now I understand better what you're thinking.

 

I'm not trying to get you.

[Chris-]

24 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

By moving them to the left.  Groups like dsa admit it’s a long term process.

 

The Koch brothers are good example of how society can be changed with a long term plan.  Their economics were considered a joke among Republicans a few decades ago and now we have “reasonable” Republicans proposing to eliminate capital gains tax. 

 

Two problems: leftists don’t have their own pair of Koch brothers, and the GOP didn’t electorally self-destruct during that period. You may loathe Kamara Harris and her ilk, but a President Harris moves the needle more than four more years of Trump. Waiting while things continue to deteriorate and hoping liberals come around isn’t a real strategy. 

[RedSoxFan9]

10 minutes ago, Chris- said:

 

Two problems: leftists don’t have their own pair of Koch brothers, and the GOP didn’t electorally self-destruct during that period. You may loathe Kamara Harris and her ilk, but a President Harris moves the needle more than four more years of Trump. Waiting while things continue to deteriorate and hoping liberals come around isn’t a real strategy. 

 

That was an example of how people’s minds can be changed over time. It was not a blueprint on how to do it.  People on the left aren’t going to want a pair of billionaires to be in control of the movement. 

 

The left has short term goals too. The 2020 Democratic nominee will almost certainly campaign on Medicare-for-all and that wouldn’t have happened without pressure from the leftist 

[thewhyteboar]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Looking forward to this racist shitstain getting his ass kicked in November then waving the Confederate flag:

[SuperSpreader]

17 hours ago, SFLUFAN said:

 

I well and truly have no "hope" whatsoever, but that hasn't stopped me yet from active engagement, has it?  To hell with "hope" - it's a pretty, empty four-letter word that's the refuge of the fearful.  It's only when all hope is lost and when the battle is based on something (anger/revenge/honor/etc.) other than that hollow vessel can there be any chance of victory.

TLJ sucks confirmed.