Jason Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: One of the first things I thought of, but even then, people with her background, as far as I know, don't tend to try to out-Manchin Manchin once they're in power. The obvious answer would seem to be that she was always an opportunist even back when she was in the Green Party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Jason said: The obvious answer would seem to be that she was always an opportunist even back when she was in the Green Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Jason said: Fucking idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Anytime you make Sinema look like the good guy, you done fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 I don't think it's a good tactic in general but if you're notoriously difficult to contact, even by allies within the AZDP, this or something like it was bound to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I don't think it's a good tactic in general but if you're notoriously difficult to contact, even by allies within the AZDP, this or something like it was bound to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 lol CHEER UP libz Opinion | Cheer Up, Liberals. You Have the America You Wanted. - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM America in 2021 is the country that liberals in the Bush era pined for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Uaarkson said: lol CHEER UP libz Opinion | Cheer Up, Liberals. You Have the America You Wanted. - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM America in 2021 is the country that liberals in the Bush era pined for. Ah yes Doss Bouftwat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 don't fuck with Irish Joe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 1:38 PM, b_m_b_m_b_m said: don't fuck with Irish Joe He simultaneously was like yeah that’s inappropriate but also deal with it, bitch. Dude is good at his job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Joe said: He simultaneously was like yeah that’s inappropriate but also deal with it, bitch. Dude is good at his job. Saw a tweet that resurfaced from a couple years ago where protestors went after Jeff flake and some other pol (John bell edwards?) Said basically "yeah it's surprising for a senator to get this treatment but it's no worse than what your average mayor gets while shopping for milk" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Biden gets a warm welcome visiting Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 yes yes YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: yes yes YES So far, is it safe to say Manchin is being better, however low the bar is, at negotiating than Sinema? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Also, one of my biggest things that I hope passes is paid leave. I hope there are indications that both Sinema and Manchin will support that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: So far, is it safe to say Manchin is being better, however low the bar is, at negotiating than Sinema? Manchin is at least saying things he'll agree to or what he doesn't want, Sinema seems to just want to vote it down thinking she'll be a hero or some shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: So far, is it safe to say Manchin is being better, however low the bar is, at negotiating than Sinema? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Also, one of my biggest things that I hope passes is paid leave. I hope there are indications that both Sinema and Manchin will support that. The House Paid Leave Proposal Is Awful – People's Policy Project WWW.PEOPLESPOLICYPROJECT.ORG If you like the US healthcare system, you'll love Richard Neal's new paid leave plan. All that glitters is not gold. The house plan is salvageable but right now it's bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The House Paid Leave Proposal Is Awful – People's Policy Project WWW.PEOPLESPOLICYPROJECT.ORG If you like the US healthcare system, you'll love Richard Neal's new paid leave plan. All that glitters is not gold. The house plan is salvageable but right now it's bad That's worrisome, then, as it seems like it'd be difficult to expand it at this point of the negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 6 hours ago, SaysWho? said: So far, is it safe to say Manchin is being better, however low the bar is, at negotiating than Sinema? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 It's insane how bad he is yet still better than literally any republican The obvious answer is child tax credit and it's not even close. Electorally Biden and Dems can point to a larger swath of people and say "your life is better now* because of this; we taxed the rich and give you back your tax money every month. Reelect us and we can continue to make your life better" *Economy permitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 The cuts he's asking for are brutal, and yet he's still actually negotiating with concrete demands, which is still better than Sinema saying, "New phone, who dis" every time she accidentally runs into a constituent or reporter on her way to a fundraiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: The cuts he's asking for are brutal, and yet he's still actually negotiating with concrete demands, which is still better than Sinema saying, "New phone, who dis" every time she accidentally runs into a constituent or reporter on her way to a fundraiser. They're concrete demands but they seem like they're intended to be a series of poison pills so the bill fails without him having to actually cast a vote against it and not good faith demands for where he actually wants the bill to get to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Jason said: hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is kyrsten but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^… im 45 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!! DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe…toodles!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Jason said: I'd kill to have her as Speaker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 9 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It's insane how bad he is yet still better than literally any republican He's basically the republican of democrats, which I guess is fine considering our current options. Sinema is just playing Little Me Too to Manchin and will just vote for whatever he agrees to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 10 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: There continues to be no point in what he’s asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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