Update: Senate shelves the BBB Act

[Jason]

9 minutes ago, Ricofoley said:

Ah well. I'm sure midterm voters will understand.

 

Lott to Oust Senate Parliamentarian Who Ruled Against GOP

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In a Senate split 50-50 between the political parties, the outcome of some debates can hinge on decisions made by a person who is not elected by anyone and is barely known outside the chamber: the Senate parliamentarian.

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

20 minutes ago, Ricofoley said:

Ah well. I'm sure midterm voters will understand.

Fire the parliamentarian 🤷

 

Trent Lott did it!

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Fire the parliamentarian 🤷

 

Trent Lott did it!

 

 

[SaysWho?]

A bit about the strategy moving forward, mostly House/Senate strategy:

 

As the House returns, Democrats face hard choices

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One senator compared the challenge to "a Rubik's cube on steroids."

 

 

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"We are working with everybody in all corners of our party," he said. "They're trying to get to a common ground on all of these issues. And I feel very comfortable that we are going to get there."

 

Clyburn said Democrats "ought to stop focusing on the number and start looking at what needs to be done" when it comes to the spending bill.

 

House Budget Committee Chair John Yarmuth, D-Ky., floated an outside-the-box option: Pass the infrastructure bill on Sept. 27, but don't send it to Biden's desk yet.

 

"The speaker does not have to actually advance the bill to the — if we pass it in the House — does not actually have to send it to the president for signature. She can hold on to that bill for a while," Yarmuth said on "Fox News Sunday." "So there's some flexibility in terms of how we mesh the two mandates."

 

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After House committees finished their work on the Build Back Better legislation last week, Biden held a call with Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., to discuss the way forward.

 

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And Senate Democrats say they'll keep trying to put immigration provisions in the bill after suffering a setback on Sunday, when the Senate referee ruled them ineligible for the process.

 

[Jason]

 

[Ricofoley]

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Clyburn said Democrats "ought to stop focusing on the number and start looking at what needs to be done" when it comes to the spending bill.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean in practice when Manchin has basically focused entirely on the numbers--saying he won't go above 1.5T--and doesn't really seem to have much of anything in the way of policy priorities that are important to him

[SaysWho?]

12 hours ago, Ricofoley said:

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean in practice when Manchin has basically focused entirely on the numbers--saying he won't go above 1.5T--and doesn't really seem to have much of anything in the way of policy priorities that are important to him

 

It means he's calling out Manchin.

[SaysWho?]

 

CNN also says White House has told Dems they must unite or face harsh midterms.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

 

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

 

 

These are the Republicans who backed the bipartisan bill, who call themselves the Problem Solvers Caucus. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

41 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

These are the Republicans who backed the bipartisan bill, who call themselves the Problem Solvers Caucus. 

The problem is left of center government. The solution is to undermine it.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The problem is left of center government. The solution is to undermine it.

 

Or we can just attack the Squad for not being team players. 

[Jwheel86]

Hearing on updating SSI, man the Republican ranking member doesn't get it. 

 

[SaysWho?]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Or we can just attack the Squad for not being team players. 

I feel leadership’s been better to progressives this year than, say, 2009. Hoyer’s speech defending them before kicking Greene off her post was lovely.

 

Like, Sanders and Warren having the input they have has been great.

[Joe]

32 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

I feel leadership’s been better to progressives this year than, say, 2009. Hoyer’s speech defending them before kicking Greene off her post was lovely.

 

Like, Sanders and Warren having the input they have has been great.

WAY better. If anything, the centrists are now the outcasts. Schumer especially has been surprising!

[SaysWho?]

Democrats say they have a deal on tax increases

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Congressional Democrats and the White House have reached an agreement on a “framework” to pay for a massive social welfare spending package, party leaders said Thursday.

 

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Democrats plan to use tax increases on corporations to pay for at least part of the bill, but some centrist party lawmakers disagree with some of the new taxes. That appears to be settled, according to Schumer, who did not provide details.

 

Pelosi said the House Budget Committee will advance a bill “in a timely fashion” and that the revenue plan Democrats have agreed to “can cover the proposal the president put forth to build back better, his vision for the country.”

 

Lawmakers are racing to show at least the framework of an agreement by next week, when House Democrats plan to take up a $1.2 trillion infrastructure package that liberals say they won’t vote for unless the social welfare bill passes ahead of it.

 

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat who appeared alongside Schumer, told reporters the Democrats “have made great progress” toward a final deal on the social welfare package, but they have not written the bill, she said.

 

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Pelosi wouldn’t say how much the bill might end up costing, and she would not promise the House will remain on schedule to take up the infrastructure measure next week.

 

“We take it one day at a time,” Pelosi said. “I’m confident we will pass both bills.”

 

 

[Jwheel86]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:49 PM, Joe said:

WAY better. If anything, the centrists are now the outcasts. Schumer especially has been surprising!

 

Primary pressure. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Schumer was never ever going to lose a primary.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

 

[Jason]

5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

 

 

[Kal-El814]

38 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

 

 

I hate these people so, so much.

[Jwheel86]

19 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

I hate these people so, so much.

 

I wonder if they just took out the tax increases how much of the 'moderate' opposition would just disappear, at least in the House.  

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

7 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

I wonder if they just took out the tax increases how much of the 'moderate' opposition would just disappear, at least in the House.  

"Now, we can't deficit spend our way to prosperity, these programs need to be paid for"

[Jwheel86]

1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

"Now, we can't deficit spend our way to prosperity, these programs need to be paid for"

 

For Manchin and Sinema where part of this is image/power trip/ego sure, but for the House moderate no one has heard of? Do they really care about the deficit? Republicans don't and just use it as a means to block stuff they don't like. 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 hours ago, Jwheel86 said:

 

For Manchin and Sinema where part of this is image/power trip/ego sure, but for the House moderate no one has heard of? Do they really care about the deficit? Republicans don't and just use it as a means to block stuff they don't like. 

These people are objectively stupid so maybe

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

 

(Not that there's any competition)

 

[Ricofoley]

The fact that Manchin and Sienema do not seem to have made it clear to anyone what they actually want yet does not have me feeling optimistic about the whole thing.

[Nokra]

3 hours ago, Ricofoley said:

The fact that Manchin and Sienema do not seem to have made it clear to anyone what they actually want yet does not have me feeling optimistic about the whole thing.

Or the fact that we have an entire thread about why the "useless old woman" is not to be trusted.  

[SaysWho?]

Two updates.

 

House Budget Committee votes to pass the $3.5 trillion spending bill

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The House Budget Committee voted Saturday to pass the $3.5 trillion spending bill out of committee and send it to the House floor.

 

Nice.

[SaysWho?]

Second:

 

Moderates and progressives soften negotiating stances as Pelosi predicts major progress on Dems' agenda

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi discussed Democrats' $3.5 trillion spending plan and the bipartisan infrastructure bill on ABC's 'This Week.'

 

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The speaker may have gotten an opening on Sunday when the top moderate in the House and the chamber's top progressive each bent slightly on their demands, leaving an apparent path for Pelosi to thread the needle on the two major bills. 

 

Previously, Progressive Caucus Chairwoman Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., was demanding the passage of the reconciliation bill before most of her caucus would consider infrastructure. Problem Solvers Caucus Chairman Rep. Josh Gottheimer, D-N.J., meanwhile, was insisting that Pelosi must bring the infrastructure bill to a floor vote Monday per a deal she made with him weeks ago. 

 

Jayapal, however, appeared to say on CNN's "State of the Union" that a mere agreement on reconciliation would be enough for progressives to vote for the infrastructure bill. And Gottheimer conceded that Pelosi could move the infrastructure vote to later in the week. 
 

"The way these things work if you start debating it and it rolls over to Tuesday, I don't think – I think we're all reasonable people," Gottheimer said on CNN's "State of the Union." He also made sure to emphasize that infrastructure and reconciliation are "separate bills." 

 

"Everything should be agreed upon... exactly what's in there, the language needs to be worked out," Jayapal said on CNN of what she would need on reconciliation in order to vote for infrastructure. "And everyone's gonna vote for it, and if Republicans offer amendments in a vote-a-rama that we're not gonna have Democratic senators suddenly vote with Republicans."

 

[Ricofoley]

Uhhhh, hypothetically speaking, how long it would take for a new Senator from California to be appointed and sworn in, if it were necessary?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

28 minutes ago, Ricofoley said:

Uhhhh, hypothetically speaking, how long it would take for a new Senator from California to be appointed and sworn in, if it were necessary?

Fortunately newsom won the recall so any replacement level Dem would be in there in weeks

[Jason]

43 minutes ago, Ricofoley said:

Uhhhh, hypothetically speaking, how long it would take for a new Senator from California to be appointed and sworn in, if it were necessary?

 

Why did Schumer vote no on cloture?

[Ricofoley]

It's a weird procedure thing where the majority leader has to vote no in order to potentially bring it back later.