b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, CayceG said: lmaoooo Just build more nuke and solar plants. And offshore wind! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 But what if a gas plant replaced a coal plant? Genuine question because I'm way too busy to look it up on Wikipedia myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Anathema- said: But what if a gas plant replaced a coal plant? Genuine question because I'm way too busy to look it up on Wikipedia myself. I think that falls into the 'it's better, but still not great.' The TVA is doing that in a few places. But other power companies are doing shit like replacing nuclear plants with gas power plants. Which is a step back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 Carbon is still carbon, even if it's less carbon per MW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, CayceG said: The TVA is doing that in a few places. "Look at me, look at me. I am the TVA now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 And part of the reason that there's such fights over pipelines and other carbon infrastructure is that companies (who hold enormous power) will want to ensure that this infrastructure turns a profit. Every MW from a coal conversion to NG is a MW that we aren't getting from zero carbon sources, and locks in another 30-50 years of carbon emissions. The absolute value of carbon emitted is more important than the relative amount given how carbon intensive our economy is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 God damnit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 8 hours ago, CayceG said: lmaoooo Just build more nuke and solar plants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 7 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: And offshore wind! Though at opposite sides of the political spectrum, Senator Ted Kennedy and Koch found common ground in their desire to stop the wind farm at all costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: God damnit "What are they going to do, march on Washington?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Jason said: "What are they going to do, march on Washington?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 failed state 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 20, 2021 Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 not all $$ are well spent by any means 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 US government (and more importantly, society) isn't structured for massive, public-good projects. Too much emphasis on individual rights/gain. Oh, you want to build through my backyard? Sure, try using eminent domain, I'll tie it up in courts for a decade to get 200% more in compensation. Obviously the extreme opposite end isn't good (China just doing whatever it wants with people and property), but without a consistent, efficient way to use land for the public good, you can't have nice things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 20, 2021 Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 Environmental impact studies and multiple veto points at every stage of the design and build process are big problems. So is the reliance of governments on contractors; instead of building expertise and Building institutional knowledge it is exported to rent seeking profit driven enterprises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Environmental impact studies and multiple veto points at every stage of the design and build process are big problems. So is the reliance of governments on contractors; instead of building expertise and Building institutional knowledge it is exported to rent seeking profit driven enterprises Always gotta go with the lowest bidder, even if the bid is blatantly unrealistic and the bidder has a history of going over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 21, 2021 Author Share Posted July 21, 2021 shocking 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Jason said: Good answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Fuck all of these people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: So enough Republicans agreed to the bill to get it signed and SHE is the holdout?! PRIMARY HER ASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 She wants the watered down bill watered down further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: It's dead Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: So enough Republicans agreed to the bill to get it signed and SHE is the holdout?! PRIMARY HER ASS. The budget reconciliation bill is different than the bipartisan bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: The budget reconciliation bill is different than the bipartisan bill. Oh... still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: Oh... still. The first sentence of your post was the only part you got wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ricofoley Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 They cut a lot of money for transit out of the final deal, which sucks, but for a while part of the cost offset being discussed was privatizing a bunch of stuff and it looks like that stuff was taken out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Let's them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 love to see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: love to see it i’m gonna nut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 bipartisanship is very stupid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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