mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Get your heads out of your asses! Small electric planes are the future of intercity transit. Although I'd personally like to see more dirigibles in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: And what of it? It's a boondoggle that is way over budget and will never actually achieve anything close to what voters approved of several years back. They might as well have built two for twice the price and have Jodie Foster be the conductor for the maiden drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: It's a boondoggle that is way over budget and will never actually achieve anything close to what voters approved of several years back. They might as well have built two for twice the price and have Jodie Foster be the conductor for the maiden drive. So why is there high speed rail in Europe and Asia? Magic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: It's a boondoggle that is way over budget and will never actually achieve anything close to what voters approved of several years back. They might as well have built two for twice the price and have Jodie Foster be the conductor for the maiden drive. Have i got news for you regarding american infrastructure of all types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe said: So why is there high speed rail in Europe and Asia? Magic? Property rights and NIMBYism kill this type of endeavor in America, and I would argue in Canada as well. I'm not even sure property rights is really a thing in many asian countries as we know it in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Have i got news for you regarding american infrastructure of all types. That's true. I'm not necessarily advocating for NEW roads or anything like that. But since we have existing roads and other infrastructure that are falling apart, it only makes sense to maintain and upgrade them. That, combined with increased investments in electrical vehicles and charging network, are probably North America's best bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, mclumber1 said: Property rights and NIMBYism kill this type of endeavor in America, and I would argue in Canada as well. I'm not even sure property rights is really a thing in many asian countries as we know it in America. This is patently not true, but major cost overruns are far more pronounced in anglo countries. France and Spain both are relatively inexpensive to produce HSR infrastructure than even the UK or the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, mclumber1 said: That's true. I'm not necessarily advocating for NEW roads or anything like that. But since we have existing roads and other infrastructure that are falling apart, it only makes sense to maintain and upgrade them. That, combined with increased investments in electrical vehicles and charging network, are probably North America's best bets. Wrong-o. We need to tear down automobile infrastructure and replace it with, well, not auto infrastructure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Also worth noting that our infrastructure is falling apart because the development patterns of the past 70+ years make maintenance unsustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Dude just wants electric planes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Like half of CA is federal land, especially on the interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe said: Dude just wants electric planes. The proven effective technology that is electric planes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: Because it's less convenient, and often times slower, than other modes of transport. If I wanted to take rail from Las Vegas to San Diego, there will not be a direct, non-stop route. It's going to probably make stops in Barstow, Victorville, 3 (or more) stops in Los Angeles, and Orange County before actually arriving in San Diego. Direct flights are offered a dozen times a day between these two cities, and I can drive down to San Diego in about 5 hours if I time it right to not get stuck in Riverside. Trains go from city center to city center. No TSA line and not having an hourlong slog on both ends of the trip is way better than dealing with flights and it's insane that flying is the best option for a trip like Los Angeles to San Francisco. 58 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The issue with any large-scale project in the US is that landowners have far too many rights to delay things. Some random guy with a shed in the desert could stop a maglev train project for years. This is in fact what the main problem with the California HSR has been, just endless lawsuits over the land acquisition. No shit it costs more to acquire the land now than 5-10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The proven effective technology that is electric planes Take your average driver and stick them in their own personal electric plane, what could possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Flying cars would be even more destructive to society than ground based IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 The CA HSR obviously faces all the normal issues surrounding large projects in the US (NIMBYism, land rights, environmental review, general bloat, etc.), but it also suffered from a huge amount of fatalism from the get go. If you knew that the project would be completed, and you just set out to build the best commuter HSR you could afford for CA, you would not do it the way CA did. All sorts of compromises in the route, the track and train type, and the station locations were selected on the idea that if the project weren't completed at least the rail lines could be used for the cargo trains that already run up and down the state (and the country). I'd source this claim, but I'm feeling pretty lazy right now and I should be working. As a San Diego resident, I'd love to take a European style train to San Fran or Vegas and I'll vote for any infrastructure improvements including HSR, but I'm not hopeful about the existing plans. Of course, I'd love to see better transit options within CA cities as well. San Diego is finally moving in that direction, but LA really needs to do better. As someone who's taken the train to LA hundreds of times, you really are reliant on cars of some type to get where you want to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I got two words for you. Electric. Horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Anathema- said: I got two words for you. Electric. Horses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Ricofoley said: Cool The good Dakota is the only state in the lower 48 that won't have Amtrack service! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Ricofoley said: Cool @b_m_b_m_b_m remember when I was talking shit about South Dakota? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 hours ago, TwinIon said: The CA HSR obviously faces all the normal issues surrounding large projects in the US (NIMBYism, land rights, environmental review, general bloat, etc.), but it also suffered from a huge amount of fatalism from the get go. If you knew that the project would be completed, and you just set out to build the best commuter HSR you could afford for CA, you would not do it the way CA did. All sorts of compromises in the route, the track and train type, and the station locations were selected on the idea that if the project weren't completed at least the rail lines could be used for the cargo trains that already run up and down the state (and the country). I'd source this claim, but I'm feeling pretty lazy right now and I should be working. As a San Diego resident, I'd love to take a European style train to San Fran or Vegas and I'll vote for any infrastructure improvements including HSR, but I'm not hopeful about the existing plans. Of course, I'd love to see better transit options within CA cities as well. San Diego is finally moving in that direction, but LA really needs to do better. As someone who's taken the train to LA hundreds of times, you really are reliant on cars of some type to get where you want to be. They should have done San Diego-Los Angeles as the proof of concept segment of the HSR instead of starting in the middle of nowhere in the Central Valley just because the land is cheap out there. Best case it makes it clear why you want the LA-SF segment, worst case SD-LA is still a useful piece of infrastructure even if the rest of it never gets built. Rail travel between LA and SD is slow as fucking shit right now, it would shouldn't be faster to drive that distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Anathema- said: I got two words for you. Electric. Horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Though in Noem's case, it should say "I was elected to infect my constituents with corona, not to read." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Having high speed rail go from SD too SF would be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Raising taxes on 400k and above is an absolute winner. I'm less enthusiastic about raising the corporate tax. In fact, the corporate tax should be zero, and be compensated for in raising taxes even more on 400k and above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 8 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Raising taxes on 400k and above is an absolute winner. I'm less enthusiastic about raising the corporate tax. In fact, the corporate tax should be zero, and be compensated for in raising taxes even more on 400k and above. Yep: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I need details but hell yes. That said, this needs to include a straight up ban on home care waiting lists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 LOL ISPs are fucking mad. Cable lobby slams Biden broadband plan, says everything is just fine already ARSTECHNICA.COM Industry says US should favor private ISPs and take no action to lower prices. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I love how they just straight up say that they shouldn't lower their prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jason said: LOL ISPs are fucking mad. Cable lobby slams Biden broadband plan, says everything is just fine already ARSTECHNICA.COM Industry says US should favor private ISPs and take no action to lower prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, Jason said: LOL ISPs are fucking mad. Cable lobby slams Biden broadband plan, says everything is just fine already ARSTECHNICA.COM Industry says US should favor private ISPs and take no action to lower prices. Having to pay $160 a month for JUST high speed internet (with no data cap) from Cox is not "just fine" in my opinion. It's lunacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I have $100/month gigabit service from Comcast, and only 25mbps AT&T DSL as an alternate. My cousin lives in a subdivision one mile over where she can get both Comcast and AT&T fiber. The Comcast gig service if $50/month for her. More options, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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