Remarkableriots Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Elon Musk’s SpaceX violated its FAA launch license, prompting investigation - The Verge WWW-THEVERGE-COM.CDN.AMPPROJECT.ORG Quote “Unlike its aircraft division, which is fine, the FAA space division has a fundamentally broken regulatory structure,” he tweeted on Thursday. “Their rules are meant for a handful of expendable launches per year from a few government facilities. Under those rules, humanity will never get to Mars.” The license violation (and subsequent license review process) has escalated tensions between SpaceX and the world’s biggest transportation agency. For years, Musk and others in the space industry have bemoaned the age-old US regulatory framework for launch licensing as innovation and competition in space skyrockets. In response, the US Department of Transportation — which delegates its launch oversight duties to the FAA — unveiled new streamlined launch licensing regulations last year. They have yet to go into effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 From what I've read, the violation was based on the fact that between the time SpaceX applied for their license and when the Starship prototype performed it's test flight, SpaceX swapped out one of the engines (it has three). This technically made the Starship a *new* vehicle, which required it go through the licensing process again. I think that is absurd. It's a test vehicle with no humans aboard, and the area around the facility was evacuated. From my point of view, this is just the FAA being inflexible in their interpretation of the rules. I hope the new administration doesn't choke off innovation in the area of space exploration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 We’ll never get to Mars, oh no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 When I saw the headline I was prepared for some real reckless shenanigans from Space X, but as far as rules violations go, that's pretty tame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 10:03 AM, Kal-El814 said: We’ll never get to Mars, oh no... Hey, getting more exploration and people on Mars is actually one of the few things I agree with Musk about -- even if I don't want to live there in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, legend said: Hey, getting more exploration and people on Mars is actually one of the few things I agree with Musk about -- even if I don't want to live there in my lifetime. How long is a A.I. lifetime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, legend said: Hey, getting more exploration and people on Mars is actually one of the few things I agree with Musk about -- even if I don't want to live there in my lifetime. I wanna get to Mars as well, but it's a fucking dumb carrot to dangle when it's not clear what specific license issue is being discussed. Musk has zero credibility when it comes to procedural or regulatory issues kneecapping him, from my POV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: How long is a A.I. lifetime? Some more than others. For most of the ones I make, I kill them usually in a few days or less. 11 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I wanna get to Mars as well, but it's a fucking dumb carrot to dangle when it's not clear what specific license issue is being discussed. Musk has zero credibility when it comes to procedural or regulatory issues kneecapping him, from my POV. Okay, on that much I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I'd rather fix the current planet than daydream about the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 8:56 AM, mclumber1 said: From what I've read, the violation was based on the fact that between the time SpaceX applied for their license and when the Starship prototype performed it's test flight, SpaceX swapped out one of the engines (it has three). This technically made the Starship a *new* vehicle, which required it go through the licensing process again. I think that is absurd. It's a test vehicle with no humans aboard, and the area around the facility was evacuated. From my point of view, this is just the FAA being inflexible in their interpretation of the rules. I hope the new administration doesn't choke off innovation in the area of space exploration. You have a link ? I am trying to follow this but I cant find anything from the FFA official source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, SimpleG said: You have a link ? I am trying to follow this but I cant find anything from the FFA official source. No, sorry I don't. Just chatter on various space related forums. Another person speculated that SpaceX exceeded 12.5 kilometers, which was the max height the Starship prototype was allowed to ascend to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'd rather fix the current planet than daydream about the next one I don't think we have to choose between working towards exploring Mars and fixing our planet. As far as I can tell, nothing about the Mars effort has detracted from fixing our planet. Our main problem with fixing our planet is just lack of willingness from those in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'd rather fix the current planet than daydream about the next one Some things you can't fix - like a super volcano exploding or an asteroid hitting the Earth. Both of those are good reasons to make our civilization multiplanetary, even if it's just a small group of people living on the moon or another planet like Mars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, mclumber1 said: Some things you can't fix - like a super volcano exploding or an asteroid hitting the Earth. Both of those are good reasons to make our civilization multiplanetary, even if it's just a small group of people living on the moon or another planet like Mars. If there's a planetary death stroke like a supervolcano or asteroid, I got bad news for these colonies as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: If there's a planetary death stroke like a supervolcano or asteroid, I got bad news for these colonies as well Sure, if the colony is dependent on Earth, it too would eventually die as well. But the goal is to have it eventually become self sufficient. This will likely take generations to actually accomplish. But what you are suggesting will result in us never even attempting to become a multiplanetary civilization, which means we are dead regardless if we fix issues like pollution or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Workout fixing carbon pollution we don't have the generations needed for self sustaining colonies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It is interesting to see gun owner risk mitigation logic applied at a planetary level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Workout fixing carbon pollution we don't have the generations needed for self sustaining colonies Oh you're one of those people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 And what is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 46 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: And what is that? How long does humanity have left? Are you one of those doomers who believe that everything will be dead in 20 years if we don't do something about climate change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Nothing short of nuclear war is going to stop humanity from progressing and expanding, in the coming century. There will be massive changes as a result of climate change and the population peak/shrink, but there is no extinction-level event caused by CO2 levels rising. That's not to say that bad things aren't going to happen—really bad things—but extinction or societal collapse isn't on the menu, I believe. I am prepared for a shift towards authoritarianism in the wake of migration, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Without mitigation we've probably got a century We've already baked in the next ~40 years of warming already and by mid century, per the IPCC, we may not be able to support large scale human civilization with current agriculture practices. This is mot even considering ocean acidification and releasing methane stores to really disrupt water accessibility and other effects of rising temperatures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 SN9 Test Flight T-30ish minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Holding, someone violated the range perimeter, Deputies are removing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 lol kaboom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Good try. They have another rocket almost ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 one of the engines failed during relight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 The FAA is no longer concerned with SpaceX’s Starship SN9 and SN8 WWW.THEVERGE.COM Old and busted rockets make way for new hotness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 This 29-year-old cancer survivor is set to be the youngest American ever in space WWW.CNN.COM Hayley Arceneaux, a 29-year-old cancer survivor and physician assistant at St. Jude children's hospital, got an out-of-the-blue question from her employer last month: Would she like to go to space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Remarkableriots said: This 29-year-old cancer survivor is set to be the youngest American ever in space WWW.CNN.COM Hayley Arceneaux, a 29-year-old cancer survivor and physician assistant at St. Jude children's hospital, got an out-of-the-blue question from her employer last month: Would she like to go to space? Super cool! It will be interesting to see who else is picked for the 2 remaining seats on this flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iculus Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: Super cool! It will be interesting to see who else is picked for the 2 remaining seats on this flight. Yeah, that shit is definitely exploding on national television. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 8:22 AM, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'd rather fix the current planet than daydream about the next one I don't know I just got 3 new gym shoes and am thinking of other ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Successful test! Starship Prototype Serial Number 10 successfully launched, reached 10 km in altitude, turned off it's engines, belly flopped back through the atmosphere, relit it's engines, and touched down on the landing pad. It was a bit of a Leaning Tower of Pisa afterwards, and it did blow up shortly after landing, but this was a HUGE step forward for this program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 25 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Successful test! Starship Prototype Serial Number 10 successfully launched, reached 10 km in altitude, turned off it's engines, belly flopped back through the atmosphere, relit it's engines, and touched down on the landing pad. It was a bit of a Leaning Tower of Pisa afterwards, and it did blow up shortly after landing, but this was a HUGE step forward for this program. the footage at 11:40 is almost too good, stunning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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