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"Guys, if my party takes Congress and the Presidency, we will ACCOMPLISH OUR AGENDA. Quiver at the thought!"

 

Like maybe your agenda is fucking garbage if it's used to terrify people, bro?

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"If you get rid of the filibuster, I might actually have to pass the legislation that I've been running on for years and will have to suffer the electoral consequences for doing so!  What sort of monster would want that to happen to me?!?"

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If a Democratic Senator resigns/dies, you can bet your ass the GOP is going to solidify around " the people of the state should decide their Senator in the next election, but until then, their elected governor should make the choice, being elected by the people." And then they will appoint a total shitheel.

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Don't you all just love how this nation is run by geriatric boomers right at the ends of the lives?

 

Looking at the makeup of the Vermont state legislature, it sounds like Dems there should do the same thing they did in Massachusetts and change the law to require the governor to appoint someone of the same party.

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McConnell’s a charlatan of course, but didn’t getting rid of the filibuster on judicial nominees enable Trump to appoint more judges than any previous president, and then, when the Republicans did it for SC picks, help them stack the SC after blocking Obama’s pick?

 

I dunno, I feel like this kind of thing always ends up biting us in the ass in ways we can’t predict.  And with a conservative SC like we have now, the laws passed when the Dems are in power are more likely to be neutered or struck down than the laws passed when the GOP is in power.  So it could end up being an unforeseen net win for conservatives.  The latter problem remains even *with* the filibuster in place, of course, but then at least the Dems would have the capacity to slow down the right-wing onslaught until they get a more favorable SC composition in...ugh, maybe three, four decades?:(

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If you get rid of the filibuster than you can force Republicans to vote against popular things. Take the minimum wage hike. If you don't nuke the filibuster it won't pass and in 2022 Democrats will get the blame. Voters don't care about procedural rules, they care about results and they willbe pissed that Democrats failed to do what they set out to do. Nuke the filibuster and you force Republicans to vote. Then you can campaign against those no votes. But I bet if you put popular things to a vote, you'll get more Republican votes than you expect.

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1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said:

McConnell’s a charlatan of course, but didn’t getting rid of the filibuster on judicial nominees enable Trump to appoint more judges than any previous president, and then, when the Republicans did it for SC picks, help them stack the SC after blocking Obama’s pick?

 

I dunno, I feel like this kind of thing always ends up biting us in the ass in ways we can’t predict.  And with a conservative SC like we have now, the laws passed when the Dems are in power are more likely to be neutered or struck down than the laws passed when the GOP is in power.  So it could end up being an unforeseen net win for conservatives.  The latter problem remains even *with* the filibuster in place, of course, but then at least the Dems would have the capacity to slow down the right-wing onslaught until they get a more favorable SC composition in...ugh, maybe three, four decades?:(

The filibuster helps Republicans far, far, far more than it helps democrats. The fact that civil rights acts cannot, as of now anyway, be passed through reconciliation but trillion dollar tax cuts primarily aimed at the wealthy (two examples of priorities from each given base of support) can shows this pretty clearly.

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Preserving the filibuster in case the Republicans get the Senate again is dumb because the single best way to make sure the Republicans get the Senate again is for the Democrats to hamstring themselves by preserving the filibuster. 

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4 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

If you get rid of the filibuster than you can force Republicans to vote against popular things. Take the minimum wage hike. If you don't nuke the filibuster it won't pass and in 2022 Democrats will get the blame. Voters don't care about procedural rules, they care about results and they willbe pissed that Democrats failed to do what they set out to do. Nuke the filibuster and you force Republicans to vote. Then you can campaign against those no votes. But I bet if you put popular things to a vote, you'll get more Republican votes than you expect.

 

3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The filibuster helps Republicans far, far, far more than it helps democrats. The fact that civil rights acts cannot, as of now anyway, be passed through reconciliation but trillion dollar tax cuts primarily aimed at the wealthy (two examples of priorities from each given base of support) can shows this pretty clearly.

 

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Preserving the filibuster in case the Republicans get the Senate again is dumb because the single best way to make sure the Republicans get the Senate again is for the Democrats to hamstring themselves by preserving the filibuster. 

 

All of this.

 

Why would we keep something around that has clearly hamstrung Democrats for so long now? Get rid of it, pass popular legislation, and Republicans may never again have a majority, thus we don't have to worry about the filibuster.

 

Plus, Dems suck at filibustering compared to Republicans, so even with the filibuster under a Republican majority, it doesn't do shit most of the time since Dems are bad at doing it anyway. And if Republicans ever do get a majority with no filibuster in the future, then, well, that's what the voters wanted. Republicans will be forced to pass their unpopular legislation, hopefully regular Americans see/feel the effects, and vote against Republicans the next time. Get rid of it. 

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6 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

 

 

All of this.

 

Why would we keep something around that has clearly hamstrung Democrats for so long now? Get rid of it, pass popular legislation, and Republicans may never again have a majority, thus we don't have to worry about the filibuster.

 

Plus, Dems suck at filibustering compared to Republicans, so even with the filibuster under a Republican majority, it doesn't do shit most of the time since Dems are bad at doing it anyway. And if Republicans ever do get a majority with no filibuster in the future, then, well, that's what the voters wanted. Republicans will be forced to pass their unpopular legislation, hopefully regular Americans see/feel the effects, and vote against Republicans the next time. Get rid of it. 

 

Because America has a fetish for the past, and (incorrectly) believes that it is the greatest country in the history of the world. As a result, if things have been done a certain way for long enough (especially since either founding, or the 1950s), then that means those things have been done correctly.

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1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Because America has a fetish for the past, and (incorrectly) believes that it is the greatest country in the history of the world. As a result, if things have been done a certain way for long enough (especially since either founding, or the 1950s), then that means those things have been done correctly.

 

Yep - right on point. A false belief in yourself (America in this case), "norms", and generational amnesia have definitely spun this web. I legit blame boomers. It's frustrating. 

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On 1/26/2021 at 2:52 PM, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

"If you get rid of the filibuster, I might actually have to pass the legislation that I've been running on for years and will have to suffer the electoral consequences for doing so!  What sort of monster would want that to happen to me?!?"


they still won’t. They had the house, the White House, the senate, and Schumer was too much of a cuck to stand up to them, and they barely got anything done. They know their legislative agenda would be disastrous. 

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