Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[ort]

If he tries to start his own news network based on Trumperism, the right wing overlords and Fox News (the same thing) will turn on him so fast.

 

Once he's out of office every single republican is going to turn their backs on him. They will all try to act like he was some sort of black eye on the party and they never supported them and I used to say we can never let that happen... but nothing matters anymore.

 

Listening to them backtrack on the filling a Supreme Court vacancy literally during an election proved to me without any doubt that they all stand for nothing and nothing will ever stick to them. It just doesn't matter.

 

All of the political norms and standards mean nothing if one of the two parties refuses to play the game. They don't give a shit about anything and their base lets them get away with it.

[Spork3245]

44 minutes ago, vaxick said:

 

Trump is probably going to make a MAGA hat sometime soon that has 1-24 printed on it and claim that he's #1. 

He should really just fire Rudy and get Paul Heyman to be his manager at this point.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

12 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said:

Trump’s biggest problem here is that he never gave a flying fuck about the party or the movement, he gave a fuck about himself.  

only giving a fuck about himself sure sounds like a Republican to me. 

[LazyPiranha]

8 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

only giving a fuck about himself sure sounds like a Republican to me. 

Plenty of these chuds know enough that the machine will scratch their back if they scratch first.  Yes they’re all cravenly self interested, but they know to play ball to keep the larger system going so they can get their rewards at the end.  Trump has no interest in the second phase because that means him losing.  He does t give a shit about helping anyone so they will help him down the road, he demands to be helped now and forever and to give nothing back. 

[MarSolo]

19 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

He should really just fire Rudy and get Paul Heyman to be his manager at this point.

That’s a tag team of “get your payment in up front and in cash”.

[cusideabelincoln]

Serious inquiries (I have no idea):

 

How successful would Republicans be in turning their back on Trump?

 

Has Trump-ism moved beyond political party?  The support for the man seems to have grown greater than the message that man has espoused over the last 4 years.

 

Would they fracture their base IF Trump (and family) continues on his own path, not riding silently off in the night, and they try to ignore him?

 

If the Trumps continue to stick their noses in politics, are Republics (and everyone else) stuck with them?

 

Do Republicans do more than just ignore him?  Do they try to erase his existence?  Do they readily go along with any post-Presidency investigations and lawsuits aimed at Trump?

[osxmatt]

23 minutes ago, ort said:

If he tries to start his own news network based on Trumperism, the right wing overlords and Fox News (the same thing) will turn on him so fast.

 

Once he's out of office every single republican is going to turn their backs on him. They will all try to act like he was some sort of black eye on the party and they never supported them and I used to say we can never let that happen... but nothing matters anymore.

 

Listening to them backtrack on the filling a Supreme Court vacancy literally during an election proved to me without any doubt that they all stand for nothing and nothing will ever stick to them. It just doesn't matter.

 

All of the political norms and standards mean nothing if one of the two parties refuses to play the game. They don't give a shit about anything and their base lets them get away with it.

 

I hope you're right, but my take on the past four years, is that you're wrong.

 

Trump is the Republican Party. Trump is bigger than Fox News. That's why Newsmax can go from 100k nightly viewers to 1m nightly viewers, because Trump told them to.

 

Trump will run again in 2024, and if he doesn't Trump Jr will in his place. And then Ivanka at some point. And Josh Hawley is a just a prettier, more tempered Trump.

[thewhyteboar]

There's no "dirt" on Lindsey Graham, he is just a worthless piece of shit.

[Xbob42]

Just now, Uaarkson said:

The world is mostly ignoring him and his legal challenges have been an epic fail, but at this rate it looks like he might actually need to be escorted out of the White House by Secret Service in January.

Don't talk dirty to me if you don't mean it.

[SimpleG]

11 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

How successful would Republicans be in turning their back on Trump?

They will never denounce him it will be a slow turn but they will be fine

14 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

Has Trump-ism moved beyond political party?  The support for the man seems to have grown greater than the message that man has espoused over the last 4 years.

Very much so, hes past the Tea Partiers as far as Republican splits go.

 

18 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

Would they fracture their base IF Trump (and family) continues on his own path, not riding silently off in the night, and they try to ignore him?

Yup , the head of the GOP are not stupid people, they new this would happen because he would be a useful idiot. They also know the Republicans always tow the vote.

 

20 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

If the Trumps continue to stick their noses in politics, are Republics (and everyone else) stuck with them?

 

At best they will be side line players, with no real GOP backing they dont have the money to participate 

22 minutes ago, cusideabelincoln said:

Do Republicans do more than just ignore him?  Do they try to erase his existence?  Do they readily go along with any post-Presidency investigations and lawsuits aimed at Trump?

My guess is they will feign outrage , lets state handle their business and move on. 

 

 

 

My final guess is that now they see a large push back and will do everything they can to put that cat back in the bag. I wouldnt be at all surprised to see them move a bit to the center. I think Trump pushed a decent amount of the more center leaning republicans to either not vote or vote D. Let the hardcore Trumps go and make it up by pulling in center right back to the fold.

[Signifyin(g)Monkey]

Trumpism is unfortunately not only about politics; I also think Trump’s abrasive personal style, outside of being entertaining to many people, also allows them to feel okay about indulging their antisocial impulses and ignoring social norms that are being more universally enforced by the rise of social media.  He indulges their inner troll.

 

That’s why ‘own the libs’ is a thing now.  Trump not only gets away with trolling his political opponents, he gets awarded for it, so people feel like inserting more trollishness into their political interactions will reward them.

 

He’s part of a wider cancer in our political discourse and interpersonal relations that isn’t going away anytime soon.  He didn’t really create it, but he kicked it into high gear.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

A judge ACTUALLY quoted Billy Madison in response to one of Trump's attorneys today:

 

 

[LazyPiranha]

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

A judge ACTUALLY quoted Billy Madison in response to one of Trump's attorneys today:

 

 

This cannot possibly be true.  

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

3 minutes ago, LazyPiranha said:

This cannot possibly be true.  

 

I think I've been had

[LazyPiranha]

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

I think I've been had

I’ll hold the sword while you fall on it comrade.

[ThreePi]

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

I think I've been had

 

Clearly. Chocolate sauce on a ballot probably isn't grounds for disqualifying it. You should know better.

 

[LazyPiranha]

Just now, ThreePi said:

 

Clearly. Chocolate sauce on a ballot probably isn't grounds for disqualifying it. You should know better.

 

They are trying to disqualify brown votes so...

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

16 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

A judge ACTUALLY quoted Billy Madison in response to one of Trump's attorneys today:

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

I think I've been had

Saving this for when I post fake news

[Reputator]

23 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

I think I've been had

 

Not a shred of that was even remotely realistic and yet under the current fever dream reality of our politics, you could be completely forgiven for believing it's real.

[Chollowa]

3 hours ago, Reputator said:

 

Not a shred of that was even remotely realistic and yet under the current fever dream reality of our politics, you could be completely forgiven for believing it's real.

 

I hear this guy was the prosecutor in that case. So don't worry about being fooled, he's sort of a dick.

[thewhyteboar]

 

[SaysWho?]

Detailed Turnout Data Shows How Georgia Turned Blue - The New York Times

WWW.NYTIMES.COM

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Huge gains in the Atlanta suburbs make up for a decline in the Black share of the electorate.

 

 

Shades of blue = more Democratic than 2016

Shades of red = more Republican than 2016

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

10 hours ago, Reputator said:

 

Not a shred of that was even remotely realistic and yet under the current fever dream reality of our politics, you could be completely forgiven for believing it's real.

 

As @CayceG stated so very well in the Discord server:

 

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See. the thing about reality now is that we're in an epistemological crisis.

 

We cannot differentiate what is real because everything around us is so unreal.

 

[Signifyin(g)Monkey]

2600 uncounted ballots uncovered in GA:

http://www.google.com//apple-touch-icon.png Vote recount in Georgia finds over 2,600 ballots in Floyd County

WWW.GOOGLE.COM

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More than 2,600 votes have reportedly been uncovered in Georgia amid its recount process that weren’t previously included in the state’s overall tally of...

 

 

Nevada throws out results in District C:

 

Clark County Commission certifies election results, except District 'C'

WWW.GOOGLE.COM

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In every election, there are glitches and mistakes. 974,185 ballots were cast in this year's general election in Clark County, for all sorts of races. It's the District "C" race...

 

Neither changes the overall results, but Jesus people...could you not add fuel to the fire, pls?

[SaysWho?]

A little more about Joe-gia:

 

 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Biden hopes to avoid divisive Trump investigations, preferring unity

WWW.NBCNEWS.COM

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Biden has told aides that he's concerned that investigations would divide the country but that he would leave decisions up to an independent Justice Department.

repeating our failures one democratic administration at a time

 

[SaysWho?]

Some observations about polling errors:

 

 

[thewhyteboar]

27 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Biden hopes to avoid divisive Trump investigations, preferring unity

WWW.NBCNEWS.COM

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Biden has told aides that he's concerned that investigations would divide the country but that he would leave decisions up to an independent Justice Department.

repeating our failures on democratic administration at a time

 

Obama not prosecuting Bush officials is how we got Trump. Guess we will never learn.

[SaysWho?]

 

 

 

This is a good description, I think, of the problem:

 

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As Rick Wilson, a longtime Florida-based Republican consultant, put it: “Socialism broadly speaking in the United States is a bad brand. In Florida, it is a horrific brand.” Wilson, who is now a leading “never Trump” voice through his perch at the Lincoln Project, noted that to south Florida Hispanic voters “socialism isn’t universal health care and day care, socialism was secret police knocking at their door and shooting a family member in the head.”

 

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Republican messaging tying Democrats to the hard left was not new this year. Fernand Amandi, a veteran Democratic pollster in the state who has long warned about Republican gains with Hispanic voters, noted that it was first unveiled to great success in 2018, when “they defined the Democratic Party as being the brand of socialism and communists.” Amandi said Democrats then “dismissed the charges as absurd on their face. Through that dismissal of the charge and inability to adequately refute it that allowed those impressions to harden especially in the minds of low-information voters and new voters.”

 

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The question is whether the results in 2020 will represent a more permanent shift in voting patterns in south Florida or if it is just a blip. After all, as Shalala put it, “We didn’t lose the entire Hispanic vote, we just lost enough to lose.”

 

Curbelo noted that while “there is fear or concerns that a lot of Latino voters have about Democrats moving sharply to the left … Joe Biden is kind of the perfect Democrat to fight that image or that characterization but they actually have to make the effort.” Shalala echoed this: “Joe Biden is going to need a big Latin American strategy.” Combined with stronger organizing efforts, she thought that “Biden demonstrating his firmness against communism and socialism and getting something done in Venezuela will make a big difference.” In addition, she pointed to the need to invest in Central America for the new president to and “put conditions on every negotiations on Cuba [so that] he’s tough with the leaders of Cuba, but soft on the people, it will make a big difference.” But these efforts need to be made. As Amandi argued, “If Democrats don’t admit that [their identification with socialism] is a real problem that needs to be confronted … it could be permanent.”

 

It goes to the "defund the police" thing: why are Democrats so bad at this messaging thing? I actually think Green New Deal is fantastic messaging, tbh, and fighting for that is a winnable argument.

 

Democrats' weakness also seems to be separating Denmark/Canada/Norway from Cuba/Nicaragua/Venezuela and I don't get what's so hard about that.

[chakoo]

6 hours ago, thewhyteboar said:

 

I got "Witches will Wreck Fox News". 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 hour ago, SaysWho? said:

 

 

 

This is a good description, I think, of the problem:

 

 

 

 

It goes to the "defund the police" thing: why are Democrats so bad at this messaging thing? I actually think Green New Deal is fantastic messaging, tbh, and fighting for that is a winnable argument.

 

Democrats' weakness also seems to be separating Denmark/Canada/Norway from Cuba/Nicaragua/Venezuela and I don't get what's so hard about that.

I have two things to add

1) more glibly, democrats fighting accusations of socialism at home leads to a more intense anti-left imperialism is right out of the cold war book, and stupid

 

2) it doesn't help that accusations of socialism and specifically name dropping venezuela/cuba leads to enough idiots on the left generally going to defend the government.  Not sure there's really a good answer to this because there's a lot of blame to go around on venezuela/cuba that leads to their problems (internally there and externally from the US) so the best bet is to just pivot to denmark/canada/etc

[Keyser_Soze]

I'd be willing to get shot in the head for free health care.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

1 hour ago, thewhyteboar said:

Obama not prosecuting Bush officials is how we got Trump. Guess we will never learn.

I can’t tell if they’re afraid of retribution when the Republicans are back in power, or what. But yeah, same shit that Obama let slide, worse even. 
 

Yeah, if they don’t want to run against Trump in 2024 then they need to ensure what he’s done isn’t swept under the rug and forgotten. Investigate, indict, and make it all public. I’m not sure how we’d handle prison sentencing for a person with USSS protection, but we can’t just let everything he’s done slide, just to keep Republicans from getting upset. 

[Ghost_MH]

17 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I have two things to add

1) more glibly, democrats fighting accusations of socialism at home leads to a more intense anti-left imperialism is right out of the cold war book, and stupid

 

2) it doesn't help that accusations of socialism and specifically name dropping venezuela/cuba leads to enough idiots on the left generally going to defend the government.  Not sure there's really a good answer to this because there's a lot of blame to go around on venezuela/cuba that leads to their problems (internally there and externally from the US) so the best bet is to just pivot to denmark/canada/etc

 

It's because Democrats, as a whole, are stupid and refuse to call out lies as lies. This is very easy to counter. Anytime a Republican take about Venezuela or Cuba, the response should just be "That's stupid. Why are you lying to people? Even Trump admits he likes Denmark and they're who we're trying to learn from."

[CitizenVectron]