Joe Biden beats Donald Trump, officially making Trump a one-term twice impeached, twice popular-vote losing president

[Bacon]

 

[SaysWho?]

 

[CitizenVectron]

So assuming Biden pulls this out, then it's a lot like 2018 (doom and gloom, eventually counting of votes reveals large vote win for Democrats), with the exception of a few narrow Senate almost-hads (which will hurt). Going forward—where does the Democratic Party go? How do they appeal to culturally/religiously conservative minority voters? Economic populism is my best idea, but the Dem leadership seems stuck in their corporatist-liberal ways.

[osxmatt]

1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said:

So assuming Biden pulls this out, then it's a lot like 2018 (doom and gloom, eventually counting of votes reveals large vote win for Democrats), with the exception of a few narrow Senate almost-hads (which will hurt). Going forward—where does the Democratic Party go? How do they appeal to culturally/religiously conservative minority voters? Economic populism is my best idea, but the Dem leadership seems stuck in their corporatist-liberal ways.

I say we just double down on white people and MSNBC.

[Comet]

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

So assuming Biden pulls this out, then it's a lot like 2018 (doom and gloom, eventually counting of votes reveals large vote win for Democrats), with the exception of a few narrow Senate almost-hads (which will hurt). Going forward—where does the Democratic Party go? How do they appeal to culturally/religiously conservative minority voters? Economic populism is my best idea, but the Dem leadership seems stuck in their corporatist-liberal ways.

AOC and her gang. Enough of Pelosi and Schumer 

[DPCyric]

Just now, Comet said:

AOC and her gang. Enough of Pelosi and Schumer 

 

Yes more AOC 

[thewhyteboar]

Btw when Trump wakes up and starts vomiting all over twitter, can we not post his drivel here? Just the thought of what he will say makes me want to rage.

[CitizenVectron]

Just now, Comet said:

AOC and her gang. Enough of Pelosi and Schumer 

 

Unfortunately AOC won't be old enough for Pres until 2028 (not that I think she should run for that yet). But the Dems definitely need a straight-talking economic populist who runs on:

• Wage boosts (minimum and otherwise)
• Universal healthcare

[SuperSpreader]

6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

So assuming Biden pulls this out, then it's a lot like 2018 (doom and gloom, eventually counting of votes reveals large vote win for Democrats), with the exception of a few narrow Senate almost-hads (which will hurt). Going forward—where does the Democratic Party go? How do they appeal to culturally/religiously conservative minority voters? Economic populism is my best idea, but the Dem leadership seems stuck in their corporatist-liberal ways.

Need to address Latinos by their culture, they aren't "one group" and that idea needs to die. Mexicans care about different shit than Cubans and Venezuelans.

 

 

Edit autocorrect in night mode 

[cusideabelincoln]

I'm definitely not happy to see the sheer numbers of Republican voters.

[marioandsonic]

1 minute ago, Comet said:

AOC and her gang. Enough of Pelosi and Schumer 

This.  This election is a clear sign that Pelosi, Schumer, and more of the older centrist Dems need to step down and let the new generation, including The Squad, take the reins.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

Btw when Trump wakes up and starts vomiting all over twitter, can we not post his drivel here? Just the thought of what he will say makes me want to rage.

@Jason

[osxmatt]

This take might be an overreaction, or coming far too late, but:

 

- Trump could still win but even if he loses it doesn’t appear it will be the referendum Democrats were hoping for.

- Democrats don’t look like they’ll take the Senate. Maybe 50-50 at best.

- Democrats will pick up a few seats in the House, but it doesn’t look like the 7-10 they were expecting.

- Supreme Court is a 6-3 conservative majority

- Fox News is by far the most watched cable news channel

- Right wing content absolutely dominates daily Facebook top 25 list

 

 

I mean, at what point do we realize we’re living in a hard right country? And if we do, where does the Democratic Party go next? Just keep their head down for a few more years and wait for demographic change? Hope for some sort of realignment?

[Chris-]

1 minute ago, thewhyteboar said:

Btw when Trump wakes up and starts vomiting all over twitter, can we not post his drivel here? Just the thought of what he will say makes me want to rage.

 

I have authorized @Commissar SFLUFAN to liquidate any such posts.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Unfortunately AOC won't be old enough for Pres until 2028 (not that I think she should run for that yet). But the Dems definitely need a straight-talking economic populist who runs on:

• Wage boosts (minimum and otherwise)
• Universal healthcare

Run on popular stuff? Woah there champ that's not how we do things here

[marioandsonic]

8 minutes ago, Bacon said:

 

 

 

[Keyser_Soze]

3 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

Btw when Trump wakes up and starts vomiting all over twitter, can we not post his drivel here? Just the thought of what he will say makes me want to rage.

 

You think he went to bed?

[osxmatt]

3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Unfortunately AOC won't be old enough for Pres until 2028 (not that I think she should run for that yet). But the Dems definitely need a straight-talking economic populist who runs on:

• Wage boosts (minimum and otherwise)
• Universal healthcare

She’ll be 35 by Election Day 2024.

[Bacon]

"Everyone go out and vote. Make yourselves heard!"

Republicans:

 

"No we actually only meant the democrats!"

[PaladinSolo]

Just now, osxmatt said:

This take might be an overreaction, or coming far too late, but:

 

- Trump could still win but even if he loses it doesn’t appear it will be the referendum Democrats were hoping for.

- Democrats don’t look like they’ll take the Senate. Maybe 50-50 at best.

- Democrats will pick up a few seats in the House, but it doesn’t look like the 7-10 they were expecting.

- Supreme Court is a 6-3 conservative majority

- Fox News is by far the most watched cable news channel

- Right wing content absolutely dominates daily Facebook top 25 list

 

 

I mean, at what point do we realize we’re living in a hard right country? And if we do, where does the Democratic Party go next? Just keep their head down for a few more years and wait for demographic change? Hope for some sort of realignment?

We're not in a hard right country, Biden is going to win this election with millions more votes than Clinton had, we're in a country with a fucked up electoral system.

[cusideabelincoln]

7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

So assuming Biden pulls this out, then it's a lot like 2018 (doom and gloom, eventually counting of votes reveals large vote win for Democrats), with the exception of a few narrow Senate almost-hads (which will hurt). Going forward—where does the Democratic Party go? How do they appeal to culturally/religiously conservative minority voters? Economic populism is my best idea, but the Dem leadership seems stuck in their corporatist-liberal ways.

Give them free assault rifles and burn down planned parenthood, because a lot of these people are single issue fucks.

[SuperSpreader]

2 minutes ago, osxmatt said:

 

 

 

I mean, at what point do we realize we’re living in a hard right country? And if we do, where does the Democratic Party go next? Just keep their head down for a few more years and wait for demographic change? Hope for some sort of realignment?

I don't think we do, americans are just super gullible and fall for anything

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

1 minute ago, osxmatt said:

This take might be an overreaction, or coming far too late, but:

 

- Trump could still win but even if he loses it doesn’t appear it will be the referendum Democrats were hoping for.

- Democrats don’t look like they’ll take the Senate. Maybe 50-50 at best.

- Democrats will pick up a few seats in the House, but it doesn’t look like the 7-10 they were expecting.

- Supreme Court is a 6-3 conservative majority

- Fox News is by far the most watched cable news channel

- Right wing content absolutely dominates daily Facebook top 25 list

 

 

I mean, at what point do we realize we’re living in a hard right country? And if we do, where does the Democratic Party go next? Just keep their head down for a few more years and wait for demographic change? Hope for some sort of realignment?

Institutions are right wing, but more people have voted for democrats in the past 7/8 elections, literally has never happened in american history since the party system came into being. And democratic senators represent more people/have a higher number of votes, than Republican senators. 

[thewhyteboar]

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Run on popular stuff? Woah there champ that's not how we do things here

You will take your means-tested tax credit and you will like it!

[Reputator]

13 minutes ago, Chris- said:

 

Actually referencing their 2016 results that appears to be turnout  (unless NC suddenly gained 2 million+ voters since then).

 

Even still, sitting at a 77k advantage at the moment probably doesn't feel too good for the GOP.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

The democratic takeaway will be we need to run john kasich in 2024

[SuperSpreader]

I'll take a 50/50 Senate, Harris gon b busy 

[ThreePi]

The only reason these things are close are because the Electoral College puts a thumb in the scale for Republicans. DC statehood plus repealing/replacing the Reapportionment Act and we don't have this problem.

[SaysWho?]

I really wish this could have been less stressful for you all. 

[osxmatt]

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Institutions are right wing, but more people have voted for democrats in the past 7/8 elections, literally has never happened in american history since the party system came into being. And democratic senators represent more people/have a higher number of votes, than Republican senators. 

I think this may be the nuance my post was missing.

 

It’s not necessarily that our country is right wing, but our institutions and system over represent right wing areas, which I think for the purposes of my argument makes the practical outcome the same.

[Reputator]

Just now, ThreePi said:

The only reason these things are close are because the Electoral College puts a thumb in the scale for Republicans. DC statehood plus repealing/replacing the Reapportionment Act and we don't have this problem.

 

+PR statehood.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

13 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

I really wish this could have been less stressful for you all. 

 

That it was/is speaks volumes of the abject, unmitigated political, moral, intellectual ineptitude and failure of the Democratic leadership.

 

They should all be dragged into the street and shot.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Unfortunately AOC won't be old enough for Pres until 2028 (not that I think she should run for that yet). But the Dems definitely need a straight-talking economic populist who runs on:

• Wage boosts (minimum and otherwise)
• Universal healthcare

she may not be able to be President yet, but make her Speaker. 

[marioandsonic]

When are we getting voting updates? 9AM?

[osxmatt]

6 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

We're not in a hard right country, Biden is going to win this election with millions more votes than Clinton had, we're in a country with a fucked up electoral system.

It remains to be see if Biden will win the election (although he’ll certainly win the popular vote) but it also appears like Trump will receive more votes than any candidate in history not named Biden. And that’s after the past four years of bullshit.