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I know many are ready to laugh at Trump's flailing attempts, but I think this article is good in describing why we can't do that quite yet.

 

The whole thing is worth a read as it catalogs the reasons why we shouldn't expect the GOP to show a modicum of integrity, but the summary is...

 

Trump gets the GOP legislatures in 3 Biden states to appoint Trump electors. It goes to SCOTUS and that ominous pre-election ruling that only the state legislatures(not the governor or state courts) decide state election law says they can do that. And that's it. SCOTUS even keeps plausible deniability because they're not the ones giving Trump the election, they're simply upholding the plain language of the Constitution and those states are making their choice.

 

 

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They are irrelevant because the way Plan B could work out — and therefore likely would work out — is a three-step process. 

 

First Step: the Supreme Court takes up a case, almost any old voting case will do, and regardless of the facts of the case or the ultimate verdict, sets a precedent, stating the opinion that state legislatures, completely on their own, have plenary authority to pick their own electors, as supported by the plain language of Article II. 

 

Second Step: Three state legislatures decide to take the justices up on their kind offer and pick pro-Trump slates of electors. Greg Sargent finds this step utterly crazy in part because "numerous states…would all have to do this extraordinarily rogue act" (emphasis his). But let's be clear on what "numerous" means here. It means "three." Personally, given all the endless radicalism and insanity I have seen over the last four years and the last two weeks, I don't find that very hard to imagine at all. 

 

Third Step? Game over. 

 

 

The article itself explains why assurances you may have heard about state GOP's not going along with this is not as strong as has been portrayed. It goes into detail about why you should not consider PA a done deal. The recent situation in Michigan is not mentioned, but seems a prime example of how the GOP "would never do that" but then they manufacture their own shitshow and then use that as a justification for why the process can not be trusted.

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Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat and the board’s vice chairman, told The Washington Post that it’s too late for the pair to reverse course, as the certified results have been sent to the secretary of state in accordance with state rules.

 

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10 minutes ago, Chairslinger said:

I know many are ready to laugh at Trump's flailing attempts, but I think this article is good in describing why we can't do that quite yet.

 

The whole thing is worth a read as it catalogs the reasons why we shouldn't expect the GOP to show a modicum of integrity, but the summary is...

 

Trump gets the GOP legislatures in 3 Biden states to appoint Trump electors. It goes to SCOTUS and that ominous pre-election ruling that only the state legislatures(not the governor or state courts) decide state election law says they can do that. And that's it. SCOTUS even keeps plausible deniability because they're not the ones giving Trump the election, they're simply upholding the plain language of the Constitution and those states are making their choice.

 

 

 

The article itself explains why assurances you may have heard about state GOP's not going along with this is not as strong as has been portrayed. It goes into detail about why you should not consider PA a done deal. The recent situation in Michigan is not mentioned, but seems a prime example of how the GOP "would never do that" but then they manufacture their own shitshow and then use that as a justification for why the process can not be trusted.

 

So far no voting case has had even the traction to reach the Supreme Court. But were that to happen, the Supreme Court is ALWAYS looking at precedent, and if they rule that states should be allowed to override the normal process of selecting electors, absent of any evidence of fraud of substantial irregularity, they'd have to acknowledge this could be used against the GOP later. They also have to consider the volatile nature of this election, as many others have, that could result in widespread riots if the people's votes were wholesale overridden for partisan reasons.

 

But let's say the Supreme Court shrugged all that off, put in some clause like in 2000 that this was not to set any sort of precedent (which means they could only do it in one state, which would not overturn Biden's win). The state legislatures do their partisan dirty work, the state's electors vote for Trump, riots ensue on the streets (especially if this is PA). Biden has a clear example that an attempt was made to steal the election from him, and his campaign can fire off lawsuits of their own.

 

To me this is a no win scenario for the GOP.

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Looks like Electors are being primed to toe the Trump line...Democrats dont know or are unwilling to fight the disinformation apparatus...

 

Theyre going to start going to Democrats plan “B”... the conceding with the ominous threat of “voters witnessed what just happened and it will reflect on election day” fallacy that we are living through right now..

 

obviously presenting facts and finding middle ground with the Trump cult is not an option... they are too bought in

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Shirkey quashed the idea to Bridge Michigan, a local news outlet, saying that the legislature will not move to award the state's 16 electors to Trump. "That's not going to happen," he said.

A spokesperson for the state Senate majority leader also reiterated that state law does not allow for the legislature to step in and directly select the electors or award the electors to anyone other than the popular vote winner..

 

Always going for big brained plays.

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11 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

Shirkey quashed the idea to Bridge Michigan, a local news outlet, saying that the legislature will not move to award the state's 16 electors to Trump. "That's not going to happen," he said.

A spokesperson for the state Senate majority leader also reiterated that state law does not allow for the legislature to step in and directly select the electors or award the electors to anyone other than the popular vote winner..

 

Always going for big brained plays.

 

Do you honestly trust the words coming out of the mouths of Michigan GOP legislators?

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4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Do you honestly trust the words coming out of the mouths of Michigan GOP legislators?

 

The only Republican I trust is one I've just drowned in a bathtub.

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9 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Do you honestly trust the words coming out of the mouths of Michigan GOP legislators?

The second part is key, the law would have to be changed, they don't have the majority to override a veto from the gov. even if they wanted to try it, I also seriously doubt it'd stand up to a legal challenge trying to change a law on an event that already happened.

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6 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

The second part is key, the law would have to be changed

 

"We're doing it anyhow, try and stop us. Oops the courts took until January 21 to decide on this. Too bad. qqmoar libcucks"

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18 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

"We're doing it anyhow, try and stop us. Oops the courts took until January 21 to decide on this. Too bad. qqmoar libcucks"


And guess who’s President on January 21st? Not Trump.

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And here I thought my state was finally out of the election spotlight.  Michigan GOP are complete scum, but I'm not sure how far they're actually willing to go as our voting lines are currently in the process of being redrawn.  They're well aware come next election, the gerrymandered safety net they once enjoyed will no longer be a thing.  

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1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

Shirkey quashed the idea to Bridge Michigan, a local news outlet, saying that the legislature will not move to award the state's 16 electors to Trump. "That's not going to happen," he said.

A spokesperson for the state Senate majority leader also reiterated that state law does not allow for the legislature to step in and directly select the electors or award the electors to anyone other than the popular vote winner..

 

Always going for big brained plays.

 

1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

 

 

 

 

Shirkey is one of the Republicans going to meet Trump tomorrow to have a Comey dinner.

 

This is a move the GOP plays over and over again. Of course the GOP would never allow such outrageous, undemocratic, and possibly illegal actions by the president! Until, of course, the rightwing media has a couple days to process the bullshit into digestible talking points!

 

GOP: Of course we would never support Donald Trump shooting a man on Fifth Avenue.

 

*Trump minions spend a week on rightwing media convincing the base with razor thin justifications that Trump had to kill that man on Fifth Avenue*

 

GOP: Of course there was nothing wrong with what the President did. It was self defense!

 

Good chance they come out of the meeting tomorrow saying "After reviewing the evidence the President has presented to us we can not in good conscious allow Michigan's electoral votes to go to Joe Biden. To do so would actually be allowing Joe Biden to steal the election!

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