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Last I checked the YouTube App on the Xbox didn’t support HDR. And the Xbox’s Netflix App forces everything to be in HDR even when it isn’t supposed to be, which makes SDR content look like crap.

*Dolby Vision The worthy of the Apple TV depends largely on your investment in the Apple ecosystem. As there are 6 people in my house with iPhones, iPods and iPads it is worthwhile for the integration in airplay and screen mirroring Its also worth it for me in that I have around 200 iTunes digital movies and around 70 of them, so far, have received a free upgrade to 4K HDR even though I originally only got the HD version with a standard Blu Ray purchase. That alone justified the purchase for me. If yiu do get an Apple TV, be sure to enable the “Match Content” settings since they are turned off by default and they are super important for anything that isn’t natively in HDR or Dolby Vision as well as 24fps playback on movies. Without those settings turned on, the Apple TV will convert everything to Dolby Vision and make SDR content look horrible. It will also cause telecine judder on 24fps movies. Now, keep in mind that your TVs built in apps are the best way to watch things like Netflix and YouTube anyway, so you don’t need to use an Apple TV OR an Xbox app.

What I am a huge fan of, is that Apple has upgraded all of the digital titles I owned to 4K HDR as that version has become available. Plus you pay the same for the 4K version as the standard HD version. That is worthy of consumer support. On the flip side, in Canada there is only one UltraViolet provider left - Flixster Video. And at that, there are no apps that allow me to play those movies on my TV, only on my phone or tablet. I can mirror my phone screen on the Apple TV, but that is pretty low-Rez. CinemaNow also used to work in Canada, but they have ceased and the existing Xbox 360 app no longer works. I have several (21!) UltraViolet copies of movies that Flixster Video will not play back. “playback unavailable”. Physical media I own isn’t going to suddenly stop working like these digital copies have.

Well, we don’t have HT forums anymore, so we’d better start the debate again. ? I’m just speaking from my own personal observations. If you don’t see a noticeable visual difference on your screen with your viewing conditions and your eyes, then that’s great. I absolutely see the difference on my screen with my viewing conditions with my eyes and I am grateful for the superior quality that UHD 4K Blu Ray offers.

Well, I would beg to differ there. Due to compression/relatively low bitrate, level of detail on a 4K streamed title isn’t even as high as a standard Blu Ray disc, let alone a 4K UHD. HDR sometimes lacks the subtlety that makes things seem natural and realistic over streams too. I’ve compared a few 4K HDR iTunes movies over Apple TV 4K vs the UHD and found the discs to be superior, visually.

Some 4K UHD discs to Stay away from: Forrest Gump SAN Andreas Peter Rabbit Oblivion Bourne Identity The accountant

Planet Earth 2 has some astounding 4K HDR scenes throughout. It does have some scenes that stand out by comparison that were not filmed in 4K, but for the most part this is a demo-worthy series. Transformers Last Knight may be one of the very best implementations of striking HDR to date, it’s just a shame that it was wasted on such a terrible movie. As a visual spectacle it is one gorgeous disc. Pacific Rim Uprising is a good looking disc, but it doesn’t quite live up to the standard set by the original’s UHD release. Same for the movie itself. XXX Return of Xander Cage was probably the worst implementation of HDR I’ve seen. I’ve heard some people say they loved it but I found so much of it to be totally oversaturated. All the actors looked like they had sunburns or something. Wonder Woman has lots of great looking HDR showcase scenes. It’s a good disc, if not in my top-tier list. Justice League makes great use of HDR on a regular basis, though particularly in the final battle scenes, where energy crackles off the screen. Cyborg’s glowing components pop nicely throughout. Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle is a fantastic disc. Elements like the glowing Jewel really pop off the screen and the jungle foliage has a lifelike appearance brought to life through HDR that is muted on the standard Blu Ray. The original Jumanji is a nice uptick from older releases, but nothing to knock your socks off. The Incredibles has some striking scenes and it looks razor sharp, but boy oh boy does the crispness show off the limitations of early CG. The original Blade Runner is a strong argument for what 4K HDR can bring to catalogue releases. Beautiful disc. The city lights in this film have never looked more striking. Alien Covenant was a good looking film. It had its moments for sure. Baywatch was a nice uptick from standard Blu Ray. The extra resolution has the effect of making some of the visual effects like fire in an early scene look more artificial- ie you can tell they are definitely visual effects, but this is still the best way to watch the film, regardless. Black Panther - this is a film that has some standout HDR usage at times (and other times where they didn’t do quite as good a job). But all the shiny metal in the movie looks so much more lifelike here than on the standard Blu Ray. Strongly Recommended. Cars 3 - oh heck yeah, this is a 4K stunner. The glint and gleam is well done. Coco - the colours... the lights... there are several demo-worthy moments throughout this film. Deadpool has a nice improvement over the standard Blu Ray. Extra detail is apparent in his suit and throughout the film. HDR usage adds extra depth to the image though nothing that will cause your eyes to melt. Ghost in the Shell is another nice looking disc. Kingsman 2 had some really nice looking scenes, it’s just a shame the movie itself was a disappointment La La Land has some very colourful scenes and the added depth to the colours makes everything feel so lifelike. Logan - I actually watched this movie on both 4K UHD and standard Blu Ray side by side to compare. The HDR in a movie with a muted colour palette like this one comes through in the details. Extra detail in the clouds where it is just clipped to white on the standard Blu. Extra shadow details. Extra clarity in facial features or background elements. The Mummy (with Brendan Fraser) - wow this is a night and day difference over the standard Blu Ray release. Another one I watched in a side by side comparison. There is so much extra visual information to be found on the UHD disc in the shadows. Colours have been dramatically improved. The standard Blu Ray also has heavy use of DNR that is not present here. Heavy film grain at times (for those that hate film grain). The Mummy (with Tom Cruise) - yeah it had some good moments of, “HDR makes things look better!” sprinkled throughout Power Rangers - mediocre movie - fantastic picture. Really really nice UHD disc visually. Valerian - well it certainly has some standout moments visually. Not as epically awesome as I’d hoped but good. A Wrinkle in Time - my 8yo daughter loved it. It isn’t the best movie for the adult crowd, but it certainly does pop off the screen visually. Very pretty HDR Murder on the Orient Express. The image is a fantastic example of 4K resolution, though the use of HDR here is all about subtlety and naturalistic enhancements rather than blowing your socks off. Pitch Perfect 3 - nothing to write home about, but a nice uptick from the standard Blu Ray again. Peter Rabbit - stay away from the 4K disc. Looks better on Standard Blu Ray. Underworld Blood Wars - a nice looking transfer. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - y’know there is some nice use of HDR at times, but I often felt like they could have turned it up a couple of notches too. Suicide Squad... yeah, nothing to write home about here, that I recall The Legend of Tarzan - there are some stunning HDR moments sprinkled in here and there. I own about 30 more 4K UHD Blu Rays that I haven’t watched yet. I have found that the format and particularly HDR has reignited my passion for movies in a big way. When a film has great implementation of this tech, it can be transformative.

My go-to demo disc for HDR is the original Pacific Rim. I love the quality of my 2017 LG OLED TV regardless of what I’m watching, but I’m always looking for those titles that really show what it can do, for when someone asks why OLED TVs are worth the price. Prior to firing this title up I would give the nod to Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Kong Skull Island for most striking use of HDR I’ve seen. However, nearly every scene on the 4K UHD HDR Pacific Rim disc serves as justification for the format. It’s like the movie was custom made to be a showcase for the technology. Derived and upscaled from a 2K digital intermediate, it isn’t the sharpest 4K disc out there, but the colours and specular highlights just pop off the screen. Pure eye candy at every turn. Plus it’s a fun watch of a movie that is way better than it has any right to be.

Inconsistent is the perfect term for this UHD. Some scenes are just glorious and others needed someone to spend some more time getting it right. The opening scene when the sun is glinting off the metal that’s being used to light the chamber... THAT’s a gorgeous implementation of HDR.

Batman Begins is an improvement over the standard Blu-ray, but the latter two films are a further step up from the first on UHD.

It was an 8K scan, finished in a 4K digital intermediary released on standard Blu-ray (2K/1080p).

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 does look great in HDR. Thor: Ragnarok looks amazing at times and not up to its potential at others. Spider-Man Homecoming does have some noticeable improvements over the standard Blu-Ray disc.

The UHD release has been announced, but no release date has yet been set. You can get a “mastered in 4K” on standard Blu-ray, but that is neither a 4K image, nor is it in HDR.

The Last Jedi is one of the most disappointing 4K discs of the year. It does not look much different from the standard Blu-ray at all. Use of HDR was quite deliberately not taken advantage of since the filmmakers were intentionally going for a more muted colour palette to match the tone of the older films to a degree. The potential for light sabres that crackle with energy or star fields that twinkle in HDR against a velvety black space was not realized whatsoever. Blade Runner 2049 is one of the best HDR releases of 2018 though.

That’s hilarious. We’ve all been there.

Right, but those QLED's also don't have the telecine judder issue with BFI in 24fps content, I thought - again, I thought because of something in the hardware design. Perhaps LG can patch in software fixes for both those shortcomings though. But that does address the issue of freesync 2 (which the Xbox uses) over HDMI 2.0, but not necessarily with higher than 60Hz 4K HDR. The most important benefits of freesync will be for lower frame-rate signals, though anyway, so there's still a good advantage there.

Freesync doesn't allow for HDR though, does it? I thought you needed Freesync 2 for that. And I thought that for 4K HDR freesync 2 over 60Hz you needed HDMI 2.1. But again, I could have bad info on that.

Hmm... I'm open to the possibility I'm wrong on that then. I had read somewhere that it would not be possible to be patched into 2018 TV's that weren't designed for it, but I don't remember where I read it at the moment, so I can't verify credibility. I thought it was a hardware limitation with the TV and was the same reason why black frame insertion on the 2018 models introduces telecine judder for 24fps content.

A) LG can't announce a freesync/VRR update via firmware because they don't have the hardware in there to support it. B) Dolby Vision is pretty prevalent in Netflix, Amazon Prime and Vudu content through apps native on the TV, even if you don't have any other hardware capable of sending Dolby Vision to the TV yet.

It's just like, if you've spent hundreds of hours creating a house of cards and then it gets knocked over... do you start over? Or do you just fondly remember how epic it was before it got knocked over? Maybe one day.

I have never personally owned a plasma, so I can't really speak to that, but I can tell you that the LG B7 OLED has a glossy, not matte, screen so it can pick up reflections, but the anti-glare coating on the screen generally does a good job and I've never had any complaints about mine. The only time I see a reflection is if I have a light directly behind me, like my hall light - then I can see it in the screen, but I don't get any glare from the lights above in the same room or the windows from the side when the blinds are up. If you're going to be watching it with a bright window directly across from the TV behind where you're sitting, then an OLED isn't going to be the best choice anyway, because you want something brighter - ie a very bright LED LCD.

Yeah, after realizing that those thousands of posts are gone, I don't think I have it in me to start over.

This is exactly my situation. I almost got a 2016 instead of a 2017 for the 3D capability. I went back and forth on it several times.

I've been super happy with my 2017 LG OLED. Image retention has not been an issue whatsoever. While OLED's CAN have burn-in, they are far less susceptible to it than CRT's or Plasma's were. LG OLED's also run 2 levels of automatic compensation cycle while the TV is turned off in standby mode after x hours of use that keeps image retention or burn-in risk minimal. When detecting static images for a long time, LG OLED's will slowly dim themselves to reduce risk of image retention. And apps like Netflix will go into a screen saver when paused for very long.

The 2016 LG OLED's supported 3D. So a C6 model will support it. Support was dropped with the 2017 models (ie - a C7) and the trade-off was superior near-black performance and superior brightness capability with less-aggressive APL.