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In Topic: Israeli Election Thread: Netanyahu claims that the Arabs are "voting in d...

19 March 2015 - 07:03 AM

View Postheyyoudvd, on 18 March 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

No one "went around" anything. The President was informed of the invitation and he didn't say anything until AFTER Netanyahu accepted. Like I already pointed out, Netanyahu went about this in the exact same way as he did in 2011 and there was no issue then. But this time. Obama decided to manufacture a controversy out of pettiness.



Sorry, but "inappropriate" is not an argument. That's an ambiguous word that you can use towards anything you don't like.

Your condescension won't change the fact that you're spouting nonsense. You can say that the President conducts foreign policy all you like, but that won't change the fact that nothing wrong was done here. Aside from the fact that there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional about it, the fact that there's direct precedent (ie. Netanyahu's very last speech, which didn't cause any commotion) - proves that there's nothing inappropriate about the matter, either.

I do appreciate how you keep making sure to insert the phrase "a month before his election". That betrays any claim of reason or objectivity that you might have, and it proves that you're just regurgitating Obama's talking points on the matter.


Here are the facts:

1. Congress is a separate branch of government and does not have to run anything by the President if it wishes to invite a foreign speaker.  
2. Congress invited Netanyahu to come speak.
3. Netanyahu didn't accept the invitation until AFTER Obama was informed of the matter.
4. Netanyahu went about this in the exact same manner as he did for his 2011 speech, and there was no issue then.
5. Obama, despite having already known about the pending invitation, didn't raise a fuss about it until AFTER Netanyahu accepted it, proving that the President was looking for a fight.

It's really quite simple. Netanyahu did nothing wrong here, but because Obama realized that this speech would further expose Iran's nuclear ambitions and thus, would indirectly expose Obama's total capitulation to Iran, Obama decided to throw a temper tantrum, act petty, and go out of his way to demonize a Prime Minister who was merely trying to defend his own nation from an existential threat.

That's all this is.

lol

Being you must be exhausting. Never change.

In Topic: Israeli Election Thread: Netanyahu claims that the Arabs are "voting in d...

18 March 2015 - 06:47 PM

View Postheyyoudvd, on 17 March 2015 - 10:24 PM, said:

You're just repeating a talking point. Saying that the President conducts foreign policy is such an ambiguous and outright meaningless statement. Does that mean that Congressmen can't fly to other countries without his permission? Does that mean that no one can participate in economic matters overseas without the go-ahead from Obama? Does that mean that no one can phone a foreign leader to chat without Obama's express permission? What does "the President conducts foreign policy" even mean? It's just a platitude. The fact is that there's nothing preventing Congress from inviting foreign leaders to come speak. If Obama doesn't like it, too bad. He's the President, not a dictator.

It's not a talking point and it's not a platitude. Although you're the undisputed expert in both of those areas so I'm beginning to doubt myself.

You're not American so I assume you just don't understand our system of government. It's a presidential constitutional republic. The President is the head of state/government and, through the State Department and Department of Defense, he/she conducts foreign policy. It's inappropriate for the Speaker of the House to invite a foreign leader, a month before his election, without the approval of the State Department. Notice I didn't say illegal or unconstitutional, but entirely inappropriate.

You're talking point/platitude that the President isn't a dictator is garbage. Of course he's not a dictator. Congress has a critical role in the oversight of foreign policy and the President cannot do as he pleases with his power unchecked. However, inviting Netanyahu was clearly inappropriate.

In Topic: Israeli Election Thread: Netanyahu claims that the Arabs are "voting in d...

17 March 2015 - 09:58 PM

View Postheyyoudvd, on 17 March 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

Show me where it says that Congress can't invite a foreign leader to speak. Go ahead. I'll wait.

The last time Netanyahu spoke in front of congress - in 2011 - he wasn't invited by the President, either. He was invited by John Boehner then, too. He was invited, the President was informed of the invitation, Netanyahu spoke, and there was no big commotion. There was no controversy or outrage over the matter. He was invited, he accepted, and that's that. No big deal.

The exact same thing happened this time. The only difference is that Obama wanted to manufacture a controversy, so he did.

We have a Presidential Republic; certain decorum is observed. The President conducts foreign policy. Netanyahu should not have been speaking--especially just weeks before an election.

In Topic: Israeli Election Thread: Netanyahu claims that the Arabs are "voting in d...

17 March 2015 - 09:33 PM

View Postheyyoudvd, on 17 March 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

Neither he, nor Boehner undermined anything. Congress is a separate branch of government. It does not answer to the President.

You're treating the President like he's a dictator and that anyone who goes against his wishes has destroyed the sanctity of the US government. That's not how things work.

I understand you're too obtuse to ever admit this, but the point is so simple is it has to be res

View Postheyyoudvd, on 17 March 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Netanyahu did not work around the President. He only accepted the invitation once Boehner had informed the President.

The Speaker of the House does not conduct foreign policy. Netanyahu should not have been speaking in front of Congress. This really isn't hard.

In Topic: Are you guys watching this Netanyahu bullshit?

14 March 2015 - 04:44 PM

View Postheyyoudvd, on 14 March 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:


That makes absolutely no sense. Even ignoring the fact that I have never called for war, there is no connecting tissue because this statement and the statement of mine that you just quoted. They are entirely different matters with entirely different logical foundations.


"I have never called for war. Just an Iranian policy where military action and war is the only natural conclusion."