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#1 Dexterryu

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:09 PM

I'm kinda kicking around the idea of an upgrade, since I mentioned it and a co-worker is interested in buying my old parts. I'm looking at the different options for video cards and I'm looking at the 3 mentioned in the title (GTX 670 vs GTX 680 vs HD7870).
How do they stack up in terms of bang for your buck, etc...?

I'm currently running a HD5870. I have absolutely no brand bias and have had good cards from both NVDIA and ATI/AMD. I wouldn't mind going back and playing Batman AC with PhysX turned on, but I'm not sure that's worth the extra price that the 670/680 are going for when compared to the 7870s.

Would like thoughts and suggestions.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:19 PM

660 ti is good money but if I had a choice I'd get a 670. No brand bias here I have a 6950 right now
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

I've kinda ruled out the 680. Doesn't seem much more bang for the extra $100.

Leaning towards http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814125423 since it's comes with a free copy of Borderlands 2.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:29 PM

If $400 is your budget, I'd just get a 670 with a nice cooler. Sometimes you can get 7970's for $400 or less but most of the time it's reference cooler. If you find a 7970 with an aftermarket cooler for around $400, I think I'd give it the nod over a 670.

7870 is not worth considering when the 7950 is often only $20 more.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 04:29 PM

Go with the 670
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 04:45 PM

7950 is one of the better bang for the bucks, especially for overclocking.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 05:24 PM

View PostHGLatinBoy, on 20 August 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

660 ti is good money but if I had a choice I'd get a 670. No brand bias here I have a 6950 right now

If Kotaku is to be believed, stop laughing, the gain from a 660 to a 680 is so negligible that buying a 680 would be akin to flushing your money down a toilet. And Im 100% biased as I purchases a 660ti today to replace by aging 69501GB.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 05:55 PM

Ok, here's some food for thought.

Here is my buddy's EVGA 670 at default clocks:http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4165175

Versus my Gigabyte 660ti OC: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4166322

The 660ti is no joke, I would never buy a 670 or 680 now that I'd used this card.

Oh, and the Gigabyte Windforce cards are absolutely amazing. I haven't seen it break 65C and the fan is dead silent.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:25 PM

LOL @ judging cards off of 3Dmark scores, especially for different systems.  3DMark in general is pretty worthless now.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:33 PM

View Postcusideabelincoln, on 20 August 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

LOL @ judging cards off of 3Dmark scores, especially for different systems.

Also the Resolution is quite crap. Run it at least at 1080p, as the higher amount of ram may make a larger difference when you up the Resolution (although 1080p is still a relatively low resolution for these cards ram intensive wise).
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:40 PM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

Heres a much more respectable chart.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

So is a 6950-1gb to 660ti a waste of money?
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:12 PM

View Posticzelion74, on 20 August 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

So is a 6950-1gb to 660ti a waste of money?

It's not as big of a leap as you were probably expecting; but it's still quite a jump in some games. Perhaps in some situations the 1GB of the 6950 was a problem whereas that problem is now alleviated with the 2GB in the 660ti.

Here is a table comparing 6950 and 660 ti:

http://www.anandtech...duct/510?vs=647

Crysis: not much improvement
Metro 2033: some improvement
Dirt3: quite a bit
A few other titles: quite a bit
BF3: quite a bit (likely due to AA because 6xxx and older boards get killed with MSAA on in BF3)

And 3dmark sucks as a benchmark tool when you're looking at gaming performance. Here is 660ti vs 670 in various games:

http://www.anandtech...duct/598?vs=647

It's a pretty solid step up going with the 670; especially when you consider the performance/watt after you look at the load power consumption (which is pretty much the same as the 660ti). The difference in performance, of course, is even great when you replace the 670 with a 680.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:23 PM

So if you were upgrading from a 6950 2gb, you would be best to go with a 670? Or hold out for 680?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:30 PM

After seeing a Radeon 7850 in action in my HTPC, I'm realizing the eVGA 680 in my main system was quite the overkill.  Of course, the 660ti wasn't available when I bought either of those cards but oh well.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:37 PM

I got a 680 for $350, used. It's a semi-unnecessary upgrade from a 580, just wanted that extra "umph" with some DoF/ENB Skyrim mods :P... If you're interested I'd be willing to offer you my 580 for a very reasonable price (never OC'd it either btw), I'm thinking $230-ish but I'm willing to negotiate a bit, I'm cool with paypal btw. The only catch is that I'm still waiting for the 680 to ship and will need to have it at least on it's way before sending the 580.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:57 PM

View Postforsayken, on 20 August 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

It's not as big of a leap as you were probably expecting; but it's still quite a jump in some games. Perhaps in some situations the 1GB of the 6950 was a problem whereas that problem is now alleviated with the 2GB in the 660ti.

Here is a table comparing 6950 and 660 ti:

http://www.anandtech...duct/510?vs=647

Crysis: not much improvement
Metro 2033: some improvement
Dirt3: quite a bit
A few other titles: quite a bit
BF3: quite a bit (likely due to AA because 6xxx and older boards get killed with MSAA on in BF3)

And 3dmark sucks as a benchmark tool when you're looking at gaming performance. Here is 660ti vs 670 in various games:

http://www.anandtech...duct/598?vs=647

It's a pretty solid step up going with the 670; especially when you consider the performance/watt after you look at the load power consumption (which is pretty much the same as the 660ti). The difference in performance, of course, is even great when you replace the 670 with a 680.

Hmmm, starting to regret my decision a bit. May ship the 660ti back, it wont be here until tomorrow, and go with another card. Or ride out the 6950 awhile longer. It really only chokes on Arkham City DX11, Metro 2033, Skyrim mods and Dolphin in 1080p maxed. For 300 bucks I want a really decent speed bump.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:44 PM

if you're going for the bang for your buck, i'd vote for the HD 7950 if you can get it for around $300-325.

7950 > 660 Ti when OC'd and it does better with AA and high resolutions. Plus the compute performance is a lot greater. Not sure how that will play in the future, but just something to think about.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

LOL @ the chart using 1024x600. The bottom line is the resolution you are playing at. The 680s performance is more noticed at higher than 1080. Also, those charts love to compare an OC 660ti to stock 670 and 680. Do people seem to forget the 680 OCs as well?

If you play at 1920x1080 or lower, the 660ti is enough. If you game at 6060x1080 like me, the 660 is nowhere near enough power. A single 680 classified only nets me 40fps on ultra at that resolution. A 660 would crawl.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:38 PM

he's talking about a best bang for your buck deal though, not a best overall thing. a 680 is automatically out of the equations based on this. it's a great card, we all know that, but the 7950 is the best bang for your buck now that it will be lowered to $320 (google radeon price cuts).

if we were talking about no $ restrictions, i'd roll with the 7970 GHZ edition as the best single GPU solution currently available for uber high rez gamers

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:45 PM

View PostUMad?, on 20 August 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

he's talking about a best bang for your buck deal though, not a best overall thing. a 680 is automatically out of the equations based on this.

7950 or 670 will give you best performance/future proof for the price. The memory bandwidth on the 660ti scares me. Again, what resolution is he playing at?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:53 PM

View Posticzelion74, on 20 August 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Hmmm, starting to regret my decision a bit. May ship the 660ti back, it wont be here until tomorrow, and go with another card. Or ride out the 6950 awhile longer. It really only chokes on Arkham City DX11, Metro 2033, Skyrim mods and Dolphin in 1080p maxed. For 300 bucks I want a really decent speed bump.

I have a 6950 as well (but I flashed to 6970). To me, no GTX 6xx or Radeon 79xx board provides a significant increase in performance to warrant the purchase price.

Remember, you can still sell the 6950 1GB for $150. It's a good board.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:41 AM

So I have the 660ti unopened sitting at home. Probably shipping it back but heres my full setup to get everyone's opinion.

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  i5 2400 running @ 3.9, 8 GB, 6950-1GB(newer version you cant flash to 6970)

I can run most games just fine obviously, 6950 only chokes when pushing it in Dolphin(AA/AF maxed at 1080p), Skyrim(with lots of graphic mods) and a few games like Metro and Arkham City DX 11.

So given my setup I'm feeling the 660ti is probably too small an upgrade for me to feel it?
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:06 AM

The extra VRAM would smooth out Skyrim.  You probably wouldn't see much difference in Metro.  You could run PhysX In Arkham City, which IMO significantly adds a lot to the game (but your performance will go down).  Can't say what would happen in Dolphin.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:11 AM

Tough call. I think in the games that choked, you will see a fairly big gain when AA is not set really high (660ti has narrow memory bandwidth) simply because of the 1GB -> 2GB of RAM.

By the way, Metro 2033 runs pretty damn well for me on my board. Maxed on a single monitor. Maybe it really is the amount of RAM in this game. I have read that Metro can use more than 1GB in quite a few situations.

Can you swing $400 for a GPU? The GTX 670 is amazing. If you're lucky, it's $370. Even one with a stock cooler is still great. Pretty quiet.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:21 AM

Yeah I have a 2gb 6950 with an OC 2600k to 4.5. I think I'm going to save up  for a 670.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:52 AM

Guys, thanks for all of your responses. I have a lot of food for thought and definitely have some things to think about. When I said "bang for the buck" I did not necessarily mean I was on a budget, just that if I'm spending more I want to see a tangible difference. I.E. I don't want to spend $100 more on a card and not be able to tell. The other question could be the 4GB 670 vs the 2GB 680?

I'm still considering IF I want to upgrade. I may just do the video card, or I may do the CPU/Mobo/Vidcard.

My current is this:
Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156
ASUS P7P55D LGA1156
1GB ATI Radeon 5870
8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600

For the most part, everything runs pretty good on it. The only things that I have trouble with are RAGE at higher settings & Crysis 2 at the higher settings. Not sure if just upgrading the GPU would make a huge difference.

My only concern going forward is GW2. So I may make a choice after I play that for a bit.




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