Jason Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Quote The boy filmed himself penetrating her from behind, her torso exposed, her head hanging down, prosecutors said. He later shared the cellphone video among friends, investigators said, and sent a text that said, “When your first time having sex was rape.” But a family court judge said it wasn’t rape. Instead, he wondered aloud if it was sexual assault, defining rape as something reserved for an attack at gunpoint by strangers. He also said the young man came from a good family, attended an excellent school, had terrific grades and was an Eagle scout. Prosecutors, the judge said, should have explained to the girl and her family that pressing charges would destroy the boy’s life. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/nyregion/judge-james-troiano-rape.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Tips to beat the system: 1) be wealthy 2) be white If you don't have #2, #1 might be enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The second judge that the appeals court blasted wasn’t much better. I understand people holding different opinions on issues like the form of government, the form of the economy, even issues like capital punishment...but I flat out don’t get how people can hold these views on sex crimes unless they themselves are sexual predators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Tips to beat the system: 1) be wealthy 2) be white If you don't have #2, #1 might be enough I think that's the other way around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: I think that's the other way around... OJ is the exception that proves the rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Tips to beat the system: 1) be wealthy 2) be white If you don't have #2, #1 might be enough Worked for OJ, once anyway. Damn beaten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: OJ is the exception that proves the rule Yeah and he STILL ended up getting locked up so I wouldn't say "he got off". They were going to get his ass one way or another and he got got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 While not ethical this dude's name and picture should be blasted everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Yeah and he STILL ended up getting locked up so I wouldn't say "he got off". They were going to get his ass one way or another and he got got. OJ robbed a pawn shop and was not rich by that point. He was rich when "someone" killed his wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: OJ robbed a pawn shop and was not rich by that point. He was rich when "someone" killed his wife Bill Cosby was rich too... how'd that work out for him? Also OJ didn't "rob a pawn shop"... story was a little more complex than that. He basically was "stealing" stuff he said was stolen from him and it happened in a hotel room at a sports convention. Not sure where the pawn shop thing came from. Either way, I have no sympathy for OJ or Cosby... I just was pointing out that in America, race often Trumps economic status when it comes to treatment from the Justice System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Bill Cosby was rich too... how'd that work out for him? 40 years of fame, wealth, and consequence free crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I mean I did say being wealthy might be enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, sblfilms said: 40 years of fame, wealth, and consequence free crimes. Until it didnt. Let's see how much Jail time Weinstein or the kid in this very topic gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Until it didnt. Let's see how much Jail time Weinstein or the kid in this very topic gets. The point is that being rich makes it harder to hold someone accountable for their crimes, not that it is impossible. If Cosby had been a poor black man then he'd have been in prison in the 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The point is that being rich makes it harder to hold someone accountable for their crimes, not that it is impossible. If Cosby had been a poor black man then he'd have been in prison in the 70s. Sure and like I said, that's not always true when it comes to dealing with the justice system. That's not even an opinion... racial inequities in the justice system cut across economic lines and study after study has shown this. That's the point I'm trying to make. But I don't want to continue to derail the thread... carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Good family translation = donates money/goes out to dinner/goes golfing with judge's family. Rich family pulls strings. Just check out the county this took place in. This doesn't work for poor or even middle class people, whites included. It's old-money shit at work first and foremost and old-money is always white in the States. So yeah, #1 is always enough to an extent, the wealth level is probably just higher if you're not old-money white and entrenched in the local community where everybody owes you favors and you have dirt on everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 #2 is enough to get you over at least a minimum standard of "immediate presumption of guilt". #1 then all but guarantees an acquittal or slap on the wrist. In essence, #2 gets you to "innocent until proven guilty". Congratulations. If you're not #2, then you don't even get to clear the minimum standard which makes #1 more of a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Also: Quote The boy filmed himself penetrating her from behind, her torso exposed, her head hanging down, prosecutors said. He later shared the cellphone video among friends, investigators said, and sent a text that said, “When your first time having sex was rape.” So this raised-like-garbage turd sent evidence, and essentially a confession, of rape for all to see and the judge still breaks out the gymnastics he did to get him off, amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Bloodporne said: Also: So this raised-like-garbage turd sent evidence, and essentially a confession, of rape for all to see and the judge still breaks out the gymnastics he did to get him off, amazing. I know... it literally reads like a parody of these types of cases. Fucking crazy. Boys will be boys I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: I know... it literally reads like a parody of these types of cases. Fucking crazy. Boys will be boys I guess. I honestly feel like it's so parody-level that I'd actually follow an investigation into the judge's ties with the kid's family. It's so absurd, you think there has to be an ulterior motive like having dirt on the dude or something to even put his reputation etc. on the line for this. Let's not forget it's not easy, or for dummies, to become a judge. You're right, it does actually read like a parody it's so utterly flagrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 This is the kind of situation that causes me to roll my eyes hard when a "liberal" pontificates about the relative merits of "justice" over "revenge". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: This is the kind of situation that causes me to roll my eyes hard when a "liberal" pontificates about the relative merits of "justice" over "revenge". This kind of thing always immediately reminds me of that father that blew his son's kidnapper/molester's head off in the courthouse in the 80's. I can't even fathom how hard it must be to resist that urge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucoe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, sblfilms said: The second judge that the appeals court blasted wasn’t much better. I understand people holding different opinions on issues like the form of government, the form of the economy, even issues like capital punishment...but I flat out don’t get how people can hold these views on sex crimes unless they themselves are sexual predators. To me, it's very easy to understand. The judge who thinks that way doesn't think that way because he sees justice differently. He sees women differently. All wokeness aside, a judge who thinks this way thinks women are inferior and is NEVER going to change how he thinks. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with money, race or anything else other than he sees women as inferior. He would probably come straight out and say that to convict this boy is wrong because you're ruining this boy's life (that's gender, not wealth that's being considered). In some cases, I can see it being class or wealth, but in so many of these cases, I don't think I'm anywhere near wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: This kind of thing always immediately reminds me of that father that blew his son's kidnapper/molester's head off in the courthouse in the 80's. I can't even fathom how hard it must be to resist that urge. I remember that! It was the kid's Karate instructor if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: I remember that! It was the kid's Karate instructor if I remember correctly. Exactly. The kid's karate instructor kidnapped and molested his son from what I recall, took him over state lines and what not. He ended up blowing the guy's head off as he was taken out of the court room. Happy ending part is that he never even went to jail as far as I recall this, he only got house arrest and probation or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, brucoe said: To me, it's very easy to understand. The judge who thinks that way doesn't think that way because he sees justice differently. He sees women differently. All wokeness aside, a judge who thinks this way thinks women are inferior and is NEVER going to change how he thinks. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with money, race or anything else other than he sees women as inferior. He would probably come straight out and say that to convict this boy is wrong because you're ruining this boy's life (that's gender, not wealth that's being considered). In some cases, I can see it being class or wealth, but in so many of these cases, I don't think I'm anywhere near wrong. While I suppose the other judge could be a self hating woman, this doesn’t really explain the other judge’s views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Women can/have internalized misogyny and the patriarchal society we live in. You don't need to be male to benefit from perpetuating the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Bloodporne said: Good family translation = donates money/goes out to dinner/goes golfing with judge's family. Rich family pulls strings. Just check out the county this took place in. This doesn't work for poor or even middle class people, whites included. It's old-money shit at work first and foremost and old-money is always white in the States. So yeah, #1 is always enough to an extent, the wealth level is probably just higher if you're not old-money white and entrenched in the local community where everybody owes you favors and you have dirt on everyone. I think we were all aware that "good family" meant fucking loaded wealthy white family and not just that dad is a manager at the local Target, moms a Paralegal and has a my son is student of the month bumper sticker on her minivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Dodger said: I think we were all aware that "good family" meant fucking loaded wealthy white family and not just that dad is a manager at the local Target, moms a Paralegal and has a my son is student of the month bumper sticker on her minivan. Sorry? I just read the article and gave my two cents and mocked the use of the 'good family' euphemism, what's your problem with that exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: Sorry? I just read the article and gave my two cents and mocked the use of the 'good family' euphemism, what's your problem with that exactly? Why are you white knighting the rapist bro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jason said: Why are you white knighting the rapist bro? I seriously don't know what that term means... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Just now, Bloodporne said: I seriously don't know what that term means... https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White+Knight&=true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White+Knight&=true I think our boy wrote those definitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White+Knight&=true Cool, I assume this is sarcasm that flew way the fuck over my head...otherwise I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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